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Original message:346 days 20 hours 20 minutes ago
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Me and the other guitarist in the band play acoustic gigs about 2 or 3 times a month. He let me know in advance that he could not make it this Friday so I booked it solo. I have never played solo before (for money that is). I am worried about what to do when it comes time for my lead. Should I just play the rhythm through that part or just skip it. If i do that It will cut the song short, Then I have to play more songs to fill in the 45 minute set.

A friend of mine has a looper that he will lend to me. I have seen other guys use loopers and I have mixed feelings about them. Some guys really make it work very well while others sound kind of fake. Any experience with loopers?
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Reply:346 days 19 hours 28 minutes ago
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I found loopers to be a pain in the butt. Beat boxes the same. My view of solo acoustic gigs, (probably 95% of the gigs I've played,) is that they are a tough gig because you're the only one there to "take the heat" so to speak. If a mistake is made, everyone knows who made it!

I took a slightly different tack... Having a studio allowed me to put together backup tracks. Drums, bass, keys, guitars where needed. (Though I used to switch through instruments too. A solo gig for me meant dragging ALL the damned gear and setting up as if a band was playing. I've gotten too old for that so haven't done it in about 5 years.) Playing to the backups was cool because you had the "whole band" there and they were never going to make a mistake in timing. I also mixed the backups so I could play whatever instrument I wanted to them. If I wanted to do a drum bit, I'd just use the sans drums mixes. A lot of flexibility and I never felt like it was cheating because I'd played all the backup parts to record them in the first place.

If you haven't practiced with a looper, don't bring that hassle to the gig. See what you can do, where solos occur, to combine lead and rhythm, (what I typically do,) OR, if that's not really possible, it's a solo gig! Just "sing" the lead part... DO BE DOO... Again, most people aren't there to critique you. (Unless it's really a headline solo gig where they've actually come to see YOU!) They won't notice as long as you fill the background.

No better suggestions man. Pretty much all I did was solo, so everything I do is practiced that way. You don't appear to have that much time to "rework" your playlist for solo gigs. Still, don't sweat it. You're a pro, right? I mean if you can slip in a Strat where you've always used a Gib before this should be a piece of cake!
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Reply:346 days 19 hours 3 minutes ago
Member: JTC
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Have you ever used this particular loop machine before? Are you good at grabbing the loop and then shutting the thing up when you no longer need it?

What kind of looper is it?

I have a RC-2 loop station by Boss. It works great for what I do with it but I don't think I could use it in a live gig situation.

If you decide to use the looper you really need to practice with it.

You only have until Friday???

I suggest doing as much as you can with one guitar and adding an additional song or two into your set to fill the time. Tell a story between songs or something... The bass player in the last band I was in would stand behind the mike and deliver these rediculous stories about how we had just finished a world tour and how Slash asked him for a light for his cigarette, and things like that. He was good at that stuff and could eat away any amount of flex time needed.
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Reply:346 days 18 hours 26 minutes ago
Member: shanejohnson2002
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My suggestion is to pre-record the parts you want, and use the looper like a trigger. That way, you *know* they're put in there right.

I have done this on solo acoustic gigs before. When I did it, I just pre-recorded the entire rhythm guitar part in Audacity, stored it as a .wav, and played it through my PA using iTunes and an RCA cable. Some songs just need 2 guitar parts, so I'll record myself playing nothing but rhythm with no vocals or anything. Then, when I play, I'll just double the rhythm track until it's time for the solos.

You can have a lot of fun with this...make the gig sound HUGE. I once tried it by recorded a 6-string track panned left and a 12-string track panned right.
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Reply:346 days 11 hours 29 minutes ago
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Yeah I am pretty sure I wont get the looper down by Friday. I am sure I will do ok without it but I just want it to be better, When I play live I tend to stretch the songs out anyway.
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Reply:346 days 11 hours 18 minutes ago
Member: Hellcat
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if you cut them short, how much time will you use?

reason i ask is cos i have an idea.... but it entirely depends on 3 things -

what kind of music you play (and what kind of gig it is)

how worked up you can get a crowd

and how good you are at improvising, or at least making up a solo arrangement.

heres my idea. get the crowd clapping, in time. this acts as a solid drum beat for you to improvise over. if done right, and you make it look dynamic, it can produce an awesome effect. phrasing is VERY important here. you dont wanna make it sound dull, you need to excite them, at the very least enough to keep them clapping while you play. you can pull this off for maybe 2-3 minutes tops before it gets boring, and thats only if you can keep it interesting.

this is VERY risky, but if done correctly, can leave the crowd so pumped, and wowed. for examples of this in action, check out some paul gilbert stuff, especially "down in mexico" from the acoustic samurai album, and "straight through the telephone pole" from the get out of my yard album.

and if you try it, but dont pull it off.. dont say i didnt warn you.
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Reply:345 days 19 hours 34 minutes ago
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Forgot about audience involvement. Used to take the time to watch people in the audience and find a few women who appeared to be able to keep a beat. (Picking women meant getting the attention of the guys.) Would then get them together at a front table, (would have one moved if necessary,) and have them put together a simple rhythm, hitting beer bottles, clapping plastic ashtrays, bongoing the table. (Would always carry some percussion instruments as well in case the bar accessories wouldn't cut it.) You can play anything to a simple rhythm. I used to use this as a lead in to "Late In The Evening" from "One Trick Pony."

Just an idea, but if you haven't worked on any of this stuff, I know it's not possible to use it.

Easiest way to extend your songs at a solo gig?

Play a full verse or chorus as the intro, or add an extra chorus at the end.
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Reply:345 days 17 hours 46 minutes ago
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unless I mis-read it's only a 45 minute set (or is it several of them?). Play more songs.. really how much time are you actually losing not having a lead part anyway? 45 sec?

Rule number two.. NEVER do anything for the "first time" at a solo gig without rehearsing it over and over and over and... Using a looper? you've not done it before as I understand it. Having audience participation? Cool if it works but.. what if it doesn't?

Unless you're REALLY good at avoiding trainwrecks just stick to the script. If you have to stretch it out so be it.

Reply:345 days 17 hours 13 minutes ago
Member: peck
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I agree with duane - you don't want to wrestle with a looper you're not familiar with, when already out of your element via the missing guitarist. The crocodiles'll getcha.
My advice is this: if you're familiar with the songs and know your instrument, improvise in place of the missing solo. Don't try to replicate the other guitarist's solo, and don't press yourself to be awe-inspiring; just do something appropriate, off the top of your head, that fills the hole. It'll be fun, and your audience will appreciate the spontaneity.
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Reply:314 days 7 hours 31 minutes ago
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I pretty much gave up on the looper. It either sounded phony or I just did not know how to use it. But I think I adjusted well. I did 2 solo shows (4 sets of 45 minutes each) and I have another this Friday. This may have to be my new thing because with my MS I am having trouble standing that long with the juke joint band.

Anyway I try something different every time when it comes to solo time and everything has worked.

The thing that figured out is that your audience has to think you are having a good time. It's not so much about the technical side of it but the entertaining is what is important.

Excuse this video. I had a few too many Michelob's and my face is swollen because of my MS but this is fairly similar to what I will be doing Friday.
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Reply:313 days 21 hours 40 minutes ago
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And I will comb my hair
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