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Original message:606 days 19 hours 49 minutes ago
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unfortunately its back, and theres nothing we can do. THe Nor-Cal Scene is bursting with Smelly hippies trying to recreate a DEAD GENRE.
How do you feel about FOlk Music and anything related?
Reply:606 days 6 hours 22 minutes ago
Member: johnmarkh
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oh hey, people like something that you apparently don't.

i really like folk music. nick drake, joanna newsom, sufjan stevens. great stuff.

i like folk music, i like folk people, i like making folk music.


i hate narrow-minded, music-elitist, genre haters.

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Reply:606 days 2 hours 6 minutes ago
Member: johnmarkh
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but yes, there are tons of crappy crappy folk artists, and i could imagine california breeding some lamos....

who are the artists that you are thinking of? hopefully it's a new wave of crappy ones so i can sound drastically different.
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Reply:605 days 16 hours 20 minutes ago
Member: Captain Fantastic
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Folk artists huh?

The social/political implications of the art form I think were invaluable to a time period and I respect those who are making an attempt to keep alive the message. The vehicle of the message is the question though. I guess sometimes what is being portrayed is more important than the hipness of the progression or how in tune your guitar is. In every genre there are great contributors and there are some that need to realize that their luck has run out and they may need to consider taking some lessons.

I like Jonatha Brooke. I worked as a 2nd mix engineer on her record "10 cent Wings". It was a completely amazing experience for me probably more because of conversations that took place with a couple of cats in the band. Abe Laboriel, Jr. and Jerry Leonard were collectively more cerebral wealth than I could handle at the time.

So 'yes' then. I like some of it.

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Reply:603 days 23 hours 45 minutes ago
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There are a lot of wanna-be folk artists emerging over here in NJ as well. The ones I've seen aren't so much hippies. They're more of the coffee-shop kids. It seems like they try too hard, though, to re-create that feel. The one guy I know is a complete alcoholic, moocher and I think that's what kind of turned me off from this local folk-music revival scene. They're not so true to the music, just trying to mimic Bob Dylan, etc. I actually like some folk music, like Nick Drake. After listening to something intense for awhile, it's nice to sit back and listen to something so simple, and care-free. However, I think it's something best left to the originators. Not to say that there will never be another good folk artists, but it's just annoying seeing all these people trying way to hard to achieve that sound. At least Bob Dylan was cool, haha.
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Reply:603 days 3 hours 18 minutes ago
Member: Daniel Fellowes
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I like folk music.
I'm from the UK and my girlfriend's dad runs a folk club, and I'm going to a folk festival this summer.
Folk is great.
It can be nice feel good music to sing along with or sad and getting your point across. It's a varied sort of genre that i suppose can easily cross with others. I think if folk is coming back then it's only a good thing.
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Reply:599 days 13 hours 3 minutes ago
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I wouldn't call folk a "re-emerging" genre. It never went away! That's like saying jazz is making a come back. It may evolve or devolve but if it's music, I can guarantee there's someone out there who will like it. And as far as something re-emerging or making a come back, that's just the industry speaking and telling you where people are spending their money. Might as well listen to the government!

If you look at the meaning of folk music, you're going to have to acquiesce to the fact that ALL music genres started as "folk" music:

Folk music, in the most basic sense of the term, is music by and for the common people.[1] The Tech Multimedia Music Dictionary defines it as "music of the common people that has been passed on by memorization or repetition rather than by writing, and has deep roots in its own culture."[2] Folk music is an integral part of community centered cultures with people playing and singing together rather than watching others perform. In American culture, folk music refers to music exemplified by such musicians as Woody Guthrie, Pete Seeger, Bob Dylan and Joan Baez, who popularized and encouraged the lyrical style in the 50's and 60's. Folk music can also describe a particular kind of popular music which is based on traditional folk music. In contemporary times, this kind of folk music is often performed by professional musicians. Folk music is somewhat synonymous with traditional music. Both terms are used semi-interchangeably amongst the general population; however, some musical communities that actively play living folkloric musics (see Irish traditional music and Traditional Filipino music for specific examples), have adopted the term traditional music as a means of distinguishing their music from the popular music called "folk music," especially the post-1960s "singer-songwriter" genre.

So, in fact, jazz, blues, country, bluegrass, rock and (gasp, yes,) even rap and hip-hop are folk music of a sort. Yeah, go ahead an be a purist and say no it's not, but since we can trace the basic form of EVERYTHING we now play back to Mr. Bach's notation brainchild, it would be difficult to argue the point. From either side...

It's not the genre we should be setting as the key here, it's what underlies the genre. "Does it have a beat? Can I dance to it?" These used to be the key questions. It was a simple way of saying, "Is this piece compositionally sound?" If it is, it's good music! That doesn't mean you have to like it, buy it, listen to it, or otherwise be subjected to any part of it. But... Being open to everything that's out there gives you a wider range of possibilities in your own playing.
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Reply:529 days 6 hours 45 minutes ago
Member: shanejohnson2002
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yeah I agree. One thing I learned in college was that nothing has really changed drastically since Bach. Even the more "modern" guys who are using pythagorean intonations and quarter-tones and other odd things are just throwing back to times BEFORE Bach. Pythagorean tunings were used in ancient Greek and early Renaissance music. Quarter-tones are even only reffered to as such, because they are 1/4 of a whole step on Mr. Bach's tempered tuning.

Some may argue..."Well what about buzz feiten". No...it's a system designed for guitar especially, to make it sound more in tune with what we're used to hearing as "in tune"...i.e, Bach's system.

He came along at a time when multi-voice polyphony was just beginning to get big. He even didn't think of "chords" as stacks of notes, like we modern musicians do...a "chord" to him was simply a harmonious interplay between several moving voices...far more horizontal than vertical.

Yes, parallel perfect intervals are no longer considered wrong, and tritones are no longer "demonic". But even those are integral parts of Bach's system.

So...not a whole lot has changed since the early 1700's.
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Reply:599 days 8 hours 8 minutes ago
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Actually, for a very long time I have refereed to that musical period as: The Great Folk Music Scare of the 60's.

Later,
Fred
Reply:598 days 3 hours 56 minutes ago
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i can't believe there hasn't been any -1'ing on this post.

i think if i would make a hair metal post in electric and act all "i hate metal, its so lame, i hope it never comes back" i would get some snappy responses.
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Reply:529 days 10 hours 26 minutes ago
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You can like what you like and listen to what you want but to wish there was less music in the world is like hoping for more wars, it might please some people but the world would be a lesser place.
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Reply:529 days 10 hours 18 minutes ago
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Nicely said Jerry. Music is the greatest thing in the world, a universal language, the more the better.
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Reply:529 days 5 hours 3 minutes ago
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I like to keep an open mind. Not everything will find its way to my wallet, but as long as there is a decent melody played decently I'm OK listening to it.
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Reply:529 days 2 hours 30 minutes ago
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Well, being a soldier myself, I don't really equate wishing for less music to wishing for more war...somehow I don't think less music will cause some of the things I've seen. And I don't know anyone who would be pleased with more war, or at least the people involved in fighting them. I for one would like nothing more than for there to be no more fighting anywhere.

Not trying to be argumentative...just stating a feeling on the matter.

Anydangway, folk music, to me, was a byproduct of the 60's. For one thing, it was really easy for any hippie who could play the guitar to tote one around in his VW Van and write music. There was also a big coincidental movement into poetry, and having a massive rock band does not always lend itself well to the intimate settings of the places where poetry is recited for entertainment. Also, folk music was simplistic and bare, which was the opposite of how mainstream rock was moving...towards more and more production, layering, effects, etc etc. It was an obvious alternative. It also just happened to be a great vehicle for the protest movement, for the reasons stated above. This made it easy for artists who were part of the target demographic to express their feelings on everything from Vietnam to taxes to police brutality and racism.

To me though, it's not really the "folk" music of America. As a student of music history, you can learn about how African slaves brought over their instruments (or in many cases, created new ones based on the patterns from Africa) and began playing music. European immigrants, especially Irish and Scottish, brought their fiddles, drums, and whatever else they had. This resulted in what we now call Bluegrass, as many of those immigrants moved to "the west", or what was then the west...Western Kentucky, Virginia, and Tennessee. . Listen to bluegrass, and then listen to some Irish jigs...the connection is quite ovious. For the Africans, they started playing their traditional music on the plantations using their instruments. This resulted in what we now know as Blues, which eventually led into Ragtime, which eventually led the way into Jazz.We can, with some certainty, trace such instruments as a Banjo (which, oddly enough, is now not only an accepted part of bluegrass but is an integral part of it), the Washboard, the Jug, the Washtub Bass, and the Cigar-Box Guitar to the slave population of the mid-1800's.

To me, with those being the first true "American" styles of music, that's where the true "Folk" music lies. Those were created by people who (at least as we would realize it today) had very little musical training. Both the secular and spiritual forms of those styles set the framework for what would become popular music later.
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Reply:528 days 21 hours 6 minutes ago
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