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Original message:376 days 12 hours 15 minutes ago
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There's a book called "Multiple Intelligences" that outlines and celebrates the variety of learning styles that most people subscribe to by the nature of their genetics. Some people are visual learners or auditory or some prefer to read out of an education volume. My point is, there are a variety of ways to commit very important musical concepts to memory and apply them to your respective instruments.

With guitarist especially, we tend to learn by memorizing shapes. You play a D chord this way [and the teacher shows it to you]. But that teaches you NOTHING about music. Find a teacher that know theory so you don't end up like most in that they learn a handful of tunes to play by rote, hit a brick wall, and lose their motivation to play when they realize in their teens that everything they know was learned the wrong way. I only say these things because if you try to communicate an idea to a pianist or a sax player and you're talking about shapes and not notes, you might get kicked.

I have a few students that are talented technicians but are pulling their hair out because they are having to regress to learn the basics of music theory that they should have been taught early on in their music education.

Food for thought...
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Reply:373 days 1 hours 9 minutes ago
Member: ibzRG
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Good point. I'm at the point where after 5 years I eventually have to both learn some theory and correct my technique... Not happy.
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Reply:372 days 7 hours 19 minutes ago
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My ear has progressed at a much better rate than my actual knowledge of theory. So as a bass player I see the lead sheet and know exactly what will fit and what will fit and sound cool, but I have no idea why it happens. This is what I am am working on now, the why, and I sure do wish I had learned it earlier. Theory is extremely important, and if you are just learning to play make an effort to pick up theory, its a lot better in the long run.
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Reply:372 days 6 hours 46 minutes ago
Member: Derek
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I haven't studied music since High School, where I was a trumpet player and a teacher's assistant for guitar class. That was almost 30 years ago. I've forgotten most of my music theory and hadn't even played my guitars for almost a decade until last year, when I just dove back in and started writing and recording music again. Actually, it seems I start most times with a rough idea, and the music writes itself, taking on a life of it's own. It's more of it's own creation than it is of my own. I do know that I, being almost void of any real knowledge and almost no experience, find the act of starting the seeds and watching it grow, to be one of the greatest joys of music that I know.

I completely understand when you say "but I have no idea why it happens" ...and I sometimes think my own ignorance is bliss- because I find it pure to it's heart when it comes from that mysterious place that just "fits right" and am reminded of the old saying, "Never look a gift-horse in the mouth".

Often though, I wonder, how many others share these same thoughts?
Reply:367 days 16 hours 34 minutes ago
Member: Jason Messick
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Yeah, the shape-learning method can really be a hinderance later I think. The sad thing is that I'm actually fairly educated in music theory (mom was a piano teacher), and I still have trouble thinking in musical terms rather than shapes on the guitar. I could tell you that a 7 chord is 1-3-5-b7 and that E7 is E-G#-B-D without much effort, but when I want to play E7, that info leaves me and I play a barre shape or the 7th-fret 5th string shape. If someone asked me which note was the 3rd, I'd have to stop and think about it. It's like I can play or think theory, but not at the same time.

Anyone else suffer from this disconnect?

For scales I'm specifically doing exercises like playing scales with 2, 3, 4 or 5 notes per string, changing the number from string to string and changing the pattern each time, just to try to get out of those damn sweeping pattern scales. (yep, I'm another shred victim of the late 80s-early 90s). I guess for chords one will just need to sit down and internalize the parent scale, the scale degree and the note name with concentration and repetition .... No wonder so many of us get stuck on shapes!

Reply:362 days 8 hours 52 minutes ago
Member: jeremy
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What are some good supplements to a teacher. I am taking "Beginning Guitar" at the local Technical College and we had our first class. By the end (3 hours) we were on chords. He glazed over the "you take the root, 3 and 5th..." pretty quick and I figure that that info was pretty important. Is there a good place to go for the theory part so I don't have to relearn it all later?
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Reply:360 days 9 hours 9 minutes ago
Member: Captain Fantastic
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With my students I try to use a couple of different books to get them really psyched about reading, improvising, composing, etc. The book that direct relates well to guitarist is called "Music Theory For Guitarist" by Tom Kolb. "Berklee Music Theory" Books 1 and 2 by Paul Schmeling are also pretty hip for getting your theory chops together.
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