true all that. Its the same here i know some people that just wanna plunk around and do nothin with it, then i know others that try to do something, and something always seems to get in the way.

The real trick is getting a group of players together and keeping them together.

Here in New Zealand there are many many posers (read: emos [opinions aside, it's an empirical fact down here]). The really annoying thing is when they are better than you are! If only taste = talent. Alas...

I'm from Puerto Rico... you don't want to be here... for starters, this is reggaeton land, of course i know a lot of guitar players here but nothing out of the ordinary to me. The most popular ones just play their own versions of other guitarist solos in their songs... you heard "x" original score of "this guy" and, cool... but he start soloing and you immediately recognize the lines, somewhat altered but... instant wannabe, just add tempo.

My bro had a friend who would fit that profile, wanting to play advanced stuff in a band before even taking a lesson. My bro used to come home after practice with hilarious stories of incompetence. But last time I heard of the guy, he did decide to take lessons realizing what an ass he made of himself.

So yeah, we have several people dinking around with guitars in Greece, but I don't know of any who do it for the chicks. As far as I know, I'm the worst example: I can't play much and I don't try too hard to learn. But I only play for myself.

In Columbus, Ohio (usa) Most of the people i know arent posers.they are either really good and do it for the music, or they don't play. Instumental, anyway. Dancers/singers ONLY want to be famous. I would speak for the whole country, but i cant. I havent met everyone.

So its decided.We are all going to Ohio.All aboard (crazy train starts) =PP

It's going to be the same where ever you go. Unless, of course, you hang around with the right people! Posers are everywhere, but so are real musicians. I'll bet you'll find in your country that the "real" musicians are just as disgusted with the situation as you are. Couldn't tell you where you might find them, but I'll bet there are groups of them. I see this all the time in the studio, especially with younger musicians. We've had many groups that seem amazed when they actually hear themselves and realize that they can't play worth crap. Then there are those who refuse to believe it. "I always play that perfect in practice and at gigs!" Well after 100 attempts at punching it in and you're still not getting it right, don't you think that it might be because you've NEVER played it right in the first place? We don't say that to them. Let them wallow in their own misguided glory. In fact it's live and let live. So what? If they're hacks, they're hacks. Worry more about your own playing than everyone elses and you'll be better off.

Here in Wisconsin, all I see are posers. I have a friend thats really good at it, but the rest are posers. They do it for the attention. Me, personally is for music. I'll play when I wake up, I'll play all day. I'll take breaks about every 2 hours to eat or something. I'll stay up till four in the morning playing. But, other people here that call themselves "guitarist" are just bogus.

I feel the same way, too many crappy guitarists, and whenever I find a good one, theres a catch, ie: live too far, not a serious musician etc. There should be a whole city for just music, then we would all be happy XD

It gets pretty bad in california too. I had a guitar class in school, and I couldn't help but notice that only me and another guitarist actually knew what they were talking about when it came to music theory and stuff like that. Everyone else just wanted to learn how to shred and get chicks. Pretty lame.

Here in Birmingham, Alabama, it is a lot like what you described in Columbus, Ohio. I just don't know very many posers. The people that have the possibility of being posers are too lazy to learn guitar. My observations may also be skewed because I just don't hang around those kinds of people.