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Original message:123 days 20 hours 16 minutes ago
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I found this on Ebay.

Its strangely interesting to me as I can't decide whether or not I actually like it, and I hate being caught out with indecision. I have to say, my own title for this post doesn't actually make sense. Art is subjective, so it can still be art, but viewed as hideous/horrible/pure shite to someone.

I'm not sure, I like what the builder has achieved with the carving, and the concept, but would it be anything more than an expensive decoration? As a guitar I'm not so sure, it would definitely generate a lot of attention and would be a talking point at gig's etc, but aesthetically only is my guess. A guitar body carved this much, practically thinking, can't have much sustain right? Unless the wood is extremely solid........ach bollox to it, it's driving me mental thinking about it.........

Whats your thoughts. Heres a pic---------->

And here's the full post on Ebay.....


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=130319166284
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Reply:123 days 20 hours 4 minutes ago
Member: farlow
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I don't like it but I think that's mainly because it's a very 20th century object in an 18th century style. On the other hand I like a funky-coloured Danelectro or a 60s Italian Eko - they are art in the same way the Vespa or the Mini were art. They said so much about their era. Or the 60s Vox guitar-organ - - - - >
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Reply:123 days 17 hours 16 minutes ago
Member: Father Dougal Maguire.
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It does have a very strange mixture of Gothic and Renaissance form about it.

I've had several looks and decided I personally don't like it ( although that is still debatable, it is a pretty looking thing). Its a little too elaborate for me though, I like my guitars to look like they do the business, this doesn't give me that impression at all. But it is a great study of what someone with great skill can do with a bit of wood.

Have you seen the Voss guitars? I thought that rebuild I done a while back was a Framus, turns out that the German experts in the field were stumped, and I got a message on the blog on my site from a guy called Pablo, who is quite confident on it being a Voss.

Hmmm, some more detective work is much needed.
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Reply:123 days 19 hours 41 minutes ago
Member: evol666
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Although I would never buy that guitar, I do think it is nice to look at and you have to respect someone with the eye and skills to make it. My big question is how does it play and how does it sound. I believe instruments are meant to be played, not sit on the wall or in a display case.

farlow - I too love those Vox guitars from the 60s. Always wanted a Mark VI (the hollow ones). Very cool looking guitars.
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Reply:123 days 18 hours 34 minutes ago
Member: Marshall2288
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I doubt it sounds very good. I would never buy it but it is pretty cool. The craftmanship seems top notch and I give props for that.
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Reply:123 days 17 hours 57 minutes ago
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It looks like something Gandalf would play. That's probably why I'd never be interested in it...fantasy just never was my bag.

It *is* eye-catching though.
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Reply:123 days 17 hours 9 minutes ago
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Hahaha, I like the Gandalf thing a lot. +1 for that :)
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Reply:123 days 17 hours 11 minutes ago
Member: Father Dougal Maguire.
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Thanks guys. I do agree, it is a pretty thing, and the build is obviously the work of someone quite skilled with woodworking. But yeah, I wouldn't part with a grand for something that would no doubt be little more than a glass cased spectacle!

I prefer my guitars to have both form AND function, I wonder how it sounds though, I might message the dealer......


Haha @ Shane.....Gandalf would definately rock out with this. He loves those 'Wizard' necks. :-P
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Reply:123 days 15 hours 51 minutes ago
Member: Hippieway
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I don't mind all the carving, stuff like this always captures my attention. But I agree the proof is in how it sounds. It looks like it has as much solid wood as your average Steinberger
Reply:123 days 15 hours 49 minutes ago
Member: Jake!!
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It depends how good the player is; if you are realy good , you might just get away wth it...
Reply:122 days 17 hours 47 minutes ago
Member: drakbots
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It looks amazing, it has gibson humbuckers so i bet it sounds nice, and you can always replace them. I wonder what kind of finish it has. I bet its a good guitar, but i would be worried about lugging it around, or playing it live. might drop it or get it stolen
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Reply:122 days 17 hours 36 minutes ago
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I would like to have a balence in my guitars. it could be super awsome looking but sucky sound and I wouldn't get it, it could be the best sound I've ever heard but look like crap and I would'nt get it, it could be good looking and have a nice sound and I would buy it, I made a bad decision with my electric, it looks good but as you can see from my video, had a bad sound on the low E string on the first few frets.
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Reply:122 days 16 hours 30 minutes ago
Member: pickabass
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Why would it sound any worse than say . . . a steinberger, or a jackson V, or a hollowbody?
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Reply:122 days 16 hours 21 minutes ago
Member: Father Dougal Maguire.
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Ahhh.....the eternal question.

My guess is that there's more than just the body that commands the tone. But at a guess I think it might actually have a nice warm sound, with the pickups and dense wood body.

But your good self PB and Hippie have both mentioned Steinbergers, and there's not much to them at all really. But they sound ok don't they?
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Reply:122 days 14 hours 27 minutes ago
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One man's crap is another man's art. And there's a difference between art and a performance ready instrument, too.
Reply:122 days 13 hours 44 minutes ago
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Well, I'd love it on my wall. Probably wouldn't play it much because it is not really my style (unless ofcourse it is one killer of an axe).

I'm guessing that if anybody put that much effort into carving, it can't have been a spectacular guitar, but it might still be playable enough. I wouldn't pick that up for a player axe without a test drive.
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Reply:122 days 12 hours 42 minutes ago
Member: Skoobie
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The thing which defines an object as true art is that it has no other purpose than being art so I in answer to the original question, crap. But I can't help thinking about all the time someone spent carving that thing.
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Reply:122 days 10 hours 15 minutes ago
Member: Father Dougal Maguire.
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This might be the only time I disagree, but art can have both form and function, it is not purely aesthetics.

Is the Jaguar E-Type not a beautiful piece of automotive art?

The Pyramids and Coliseums, Temples of the Inca's, Sydney Opera house, Houses of Parliament, etc, etc.....architectural art at it's finest...(I studied both Art, Art History and Architecture when at College.)

Art (in the truest sense) is something that any singular person finds pleasure in. It could be as complex and detailed as the Sistine Chapel ceiling, or as simple as a chair. I look at the PRS Dragon for instance, and see something beautiful, art in every way, yet obviously that form has function as it is still an instrument.

It, like anything in life, is subjective bud.
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Reply:122 days 12 hours 37 minutes ago
Member: Craig Orwen
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That is beautiful. And my experience with hollower guitars has been great. I know a guy that has an Epiphone Dot Studio, and you can hold a high note for like 30 seconds on it.
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Reply:122 days 8 hours 52 minutes ago
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I don't think it's carved up in a manner that would affect the sustain any noticable amount, and it doesn't look that bad. The carvings are well done, but I probably wouldn't buy it myself... it's just not me. Now if it was hand painted with an original work by Salvador Dali himself, I would attempt to buy it and be promptly outbid by some jerk with more money than he knows what to do with who would outbid me by thousands of dollars instead of just a few cents like most ebay bidders.
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Reply:122 days 17 minutes ago
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This has become one of my new favourite sites. http://www.fetishguitars.com/index.html

Where else do you find pictures of the Godwin Guitar Organ?
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Reply:121 days 22 hours 1 minutes ago
Member: Father Dougal Maguire.
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It's a guitar lovers wet dream.......

I'll bet the Government ban it, it sounds too much like fun!!
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Reply:121 days 21 hours 48 minutes ago
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I think it is very cool and I admire the craftsmanship. Going by the pics, it probably sounds pretty good. Sort of reminds me of the after market choppers versus a classic Harley Davidson though. Like the choppers, I like the looks of this and would consider buying it if I had so much money I had nothing better to do with it, but in the end, I will take the old standard; say a classic Gibson Les Paul or an American made Fender Strat.
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Reply:121 days 20 hours 52 minutes ago
Member: Leif
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its art whether you like it or not. As far as a good guitar? Who the hell knows. It's one of a kind and can very well be a total piece of crap.

What's in it? I;d be curious to hear the specs and see more pics if you have them.

It is amazing wood work. It's at least a wall piece huh?

Obviously everyone agrees it can be considered art and yet it can be a terrible guitar. Looking at it though it is possible that it could be a nice sounding guitar. There is really only one way to tell and that's to play it. My favorite guitars are beat to hell and may not look all that nice. So I guess my point is....Who knows?

It could be a player;s wet dream but maybe its no good with the cut outs..I'd check out the combination of woods. I like the bigsby! If it uses anything like, Walnut OR Mahagony and its mixed with maple it could sound great. If its not too expensive it could be interesting to own. I would say get it on the assumption that its a pice of wall art and if it happens to sound amazing all the better!
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Reply:121 days 19 hours 5 minutes ago
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it uses zebrano wood, its a very hard wood, brighter sounding and a little more sustain if im not mistaken. i bet its will sound just fine, expirementing with pickups good make it a great guitar i bet
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Reply:121 days 5 hours 7 minutes ago
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zebra wood huh? I have an acoustic with that..Exotic it is but i find the Zebra wood acoustic I have to be a little twangy and not on the warm side..Not that Zebra wood is a bad wood to make an electric or any other guitar...Just haven't heard a zebra wood guitar that I like personally.
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Reply:120 days 17 hours 14 minutes ago
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yea the twang would make sense, seeing as its a harder wood, im not sure how much it would affect an electric guitar though
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