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Original message:468 days 4 hours 12 minutes ago
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Saw it from a magazine when i'm looking for my favorite Guitar Techniques magazine.
It's say Jimi Hendrix,then Van Halen,now The guy from MUSE, Matt something, i can't remember.
He's good but i don't think he can be put with Hendrix and EVH.
What do you guys think>?
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Reply:468 days 3 hours 45 minutes ago
Member: James Andersen
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No, Hendrix and Eddie changed music all together.
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Reply:468 days 3 hours 9 minutes ago
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Guitar heroes that changed rock:

-Charlie Christian. Without him, there would be no lead electric guitar. He pioneered it in a jazz context with Benny Goodman. The original guitar hero.

-Les Paul. A jazzer that built his own guitar, then sold it to Gibson. Undoubtedly Rock would not be the same without the venerable Les Paul.

-Willie Kizart. Dropped his amp at Sun Studios in 1951, and busted a speaker cone. They liked the "unruly hum" this made, so they flew with it. Thus was born "distortion". The album was Rocket 88 by Jackie Brenston and the Delta Cats. Rock has never been the same.

-John Lennon. The next step was to deliberately create distortion, as opposed to accidental droppings and breakings. He plugged his guitar into a mixing console channel, maxed out everything, then ran that channel into the next one. Maxed it out, then ran it into the next one, and so on until you hear the lead guitar sound that was Revolution. (I can't verify if this is true, but I know I have read it somewhere before...)

-Chet Atkins. First recorded use of a wah pedal. 1961 "Boo Boo Stick Beat."

-Leo Fender. Wow. This guy created: The world's first mass-produced solidbody modular guitar: The Esquire. He also is credited with the Wah pedal (in 1945 he built a pedal steel guitar and "mis-wired" the volume pedal.) His inventions led to the Telecaster and the Stratocaster, the Jazz Bass, Precision Bass, Princeton, Twin Reverb, and Bassman.

-James Marshall. His amp designs have been copied, re-copied, and sold under thousands of different brand names. The penultimate rock guitar amp. And hey, "It goes to 11!"

-Yardbirds. This band was experimenting with combining blues and rock long before many other groups (including Hendrix, Cream, Led Zeppelin, etc etc). That's probably because this band had members from those bands before those bands existed...namely: Eric Clapton, Jimmy Page, and Jeff Beck.

-Jimi Hendrix. This guy rewrote the book on what a rock frontman should look like, act like, and play like. There is no other.

-Eddie Van Halen / Randy Rhoads. I lump them together because they both came out within a few years of each other, and they both accomplished the same thing: making virtuosity and classical training / influences cool, in a rock context.

-Steppenwolf. For coining the phrase, "Heavy Metal." And then showing us what it sounded like.

I'll think of some more tomorrow.

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Reply:468 days 55 minutes ago
Member: Mike D.
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I wholeheartedly agree with Hendrix revolutionising rock. He was so far ahead of his time, it's insane. And you're right, possibly the greatest frontman of all time (the teeth, behind the back, the sound altering moves with his guitar and amp, his parading sexual dances...)

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Reply:467 days 1 hours 57 minutes ago
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i agree with everything on shanes list with the exception of Van Halen. to simply lump him in with randy is a gross understatement.....eddie hit in "77. about 6 years before randy did. and his accomplishments eclispse randy's by miles.

:applied the variac to his marshall plexi. (this was revolutionary in amplifier design).but burned out a hell of a lot of tubes along the way..lol...

:popularized the floyd rose trem system(kramer)...took a born in the basement idea and turned it into the industry standard...

:invented the superstrat(complete with one volume knob and a single pickup)..humorously enough,every company out there put a model of this on the market...all because eddie couldn't get the tone knob to work on the original frankenstien...lol....

:designed the kramer ripley guitar complete with an array of built in effects

:popularized and help design the trans trem tremelo(steinberger)....

:he introduced a completely new approach to the instrument(a new kind of shred complete with ferocious speed,hammer ons,moved taps,harmonics and every other bizzaro technique taken for granted by most players today)...it wasn't a mistake that ppl referred to the eighties players as coming from the "school of Van Halen" even randy himself admitted in articles that he copped quite a few of those licks for himself....but back then, everyone did...it was simply unavoidable.

:took a wurlitzer piano and wired it up with pickups and then ran it into a marshal stack and then recorded "the cradle will rock"(yes that rythm IS actually a piano,not a guitar)..

:took the backplate of his strat and actually played the springs on the trem("intruder" the opening to "pretty woman)...

:cut the horn off of a les paul and recorded all the slide licks on "dirty pictures(fair warning)...

:then there's the guitars....the kramer baretta...the ernie ball axis...and the peavy wolfgang...(and now the replicas at a ridiculous $25,000 a pop(are you kidding me))...

:of course on top of everything is the music itself...so many hit songs....very freaking cool riffs....drop D tuning done in completely different ways...the lead work was simply a bonus to the songs....all kinds of alternative tunings(check out Top Jimmy from 1984)....if you go back and listen thru the catalogue, you will hear him touch on so many different styles of guitar
--woman and children first(acoustic slide)
--chicken picken "finish what ya started:
--rock slide "dirty pictures"
--blues "ice cream man" and others
--even jazz" when push comes to shove"
--all kinds of drop D stuff
--a bunch of acoustic stuff
--sitar... the solo on :ain't talkin bout love:(yes there is a sitar in there as well)
--etc,etc.

never satisfied to staying in one mode...his influences will far outweigh randy's...not that i don't like randy...one of my favorite players....it's just that randy's contributions were unfortanatly cut short way too early and i don't view randy as being nearly as well rounded as eddie....or as influental to the extent of eddie....
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Reply:463 days 3 hours 17 minutes ago
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I totally agree that EVH is a WAY bigger name than Randy could ever be and agree that Ed changed music and became a household name. Rhoads may have influenced metal and a legion of hard rock guitar players that is where he ends. Small time next to EVH.

You do make some points that are flat out wrong or not really strong points in pumping up EVH.

:applied the variac to his marshall plexi. (this was revolutionary in amplifier design).but burned out a hell of a lot of tubes along the way..lol...

---this was done more often than you may think it was.

:designed the kramer ripley guitar complete with an array of built in effects

--- Wrong, it was designed by Steve Ripley and liscenced the guitar to Kramer. Eddie used the guitar but didnt design it. It also didnt have effects, it was a stereo guitar.

:popularized and help design the trans trem tremelo(steinberger)....

--- Eddie Van Halen had nothing to do with the design of the Trans trem. It was around for years before Ed used it on 5150.

:cut the horn off of a les paul and recorded all the slide licks on "dirty pictures(fair warning)...

--- and killed the guitar. He also sawed up his old Ibanez destroyer and killed that guitar too. Ed has talked about these 2 huge mistakes. I fail to see what this has to do with anything. Unless learning from other peoples screw ups is an innovation.

:then there's the guitars....the kramer baretta...the ernie ball axis...and the peavy wolfgang...(and now the replicas at a ridiculous $25,000 a pop(are you kidding me))...

Ed didnt design the Baretta...and actaually played Kramer Pacers. He never designed a guitar with Kramer. In fact the first Ernie Ball ads had a quote from ed that said "I endorsed the guitars I used to play...I designed this one. Big difference."

Check www.vintagekramer.com for more info.
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Reply:466 days 14 hours 7 minutes ago
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Just my opinion on some add-ons and why...

I think Yngwie needs to be mentioned in there, as does Satch and Vai as does Cobain. I mean, After Malmsteen, EVERYONE started doing his deal, and to this day, Yngwie's the ONE neoclassical shredder type guy who's always remained true to himself, regardless of his 'style' or direction at the time. Yngwie sounds like Yngwie... And so does every other guy on the shrapnel label, lol...

Satch? He made it so instrumental guitar 'rock' didn't have to be so... Stiff, and lame. The guy rocked it, end of story and sold albums while doing it.

Vai, in my opinion is an example of modern, cutting edge virtuosity, an amalgamation of keen playing chops, and studio prowess. With a tip of the hat to his influences he's forged his own style on his own path which sets the standard for others like him. (Guthrie Govan, Greg Howe, etc)

Cobain reminded us that you don't have to be a guitar god to write cool stuff. He showed us that music isn't about formulas, and wrote and played some great songs. A bit rough around the edges, but oh so good. AND, he sold an album or 2.

Who's our current Page, Beck, Clapton, Hendrix, Van Halen? Hard to say. It depends I think on where music's headed and how it get's crammed down our throat. Much as I hate to say it, music's revolutionary status is about popularity, too. I mean, hey, there were groundbreaking players doing wild stuff at the same time as any of the "greats" it just didn't "catch" on...
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Reply:465 days 18 hours 12 minutes ago
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The Muse guy has nothing to do with any other guitarist mentioned. Period.
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Reply:465 days 16 hours 16 minutes ago
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hehehe I don't even know what "Muse" is... I should go find out, I guess...
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Reply:465 days 7 hours 8 minutes ago
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lol.....Muse...they're not bad. but I don't think the guitarist from that band can be in this list....
yes zombre you're totally right. although yngwie has been playing same scales/licks for more than 20 years I think hes the one of the few ones that stayed true to himself - meaning he is really doing what he loves to do - and many musicians don't do that.

but I think getting a haircut isn't a bad idea for yngwie......

there are bunch of guys who changed rock history....but I have to say hendrix is the one who really changed it...without him there would be no guitar heroes these days - malmsteen, van halen, vai....you name it.

I really wish I could have seen him playing live....too bad I was born after he passed away.....
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Reply:465 days 5 hours 34 minutes ago
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This is a good conversation! We look to all of these previously mentioned players as inspiration. Perhaps even as a template from which to build our own art. It might also be advantageous to investigate what made our heroes tick. Whether they were influenced by the radio, an old jazzer at a smoky no name club south of Chicago, their grandmother who played cello in a regional orchestra, or whatever. Sometimes just a story of where one of these guys came from is enough to get some creative streams in motion. But, already I've lost sight of the original post. I guess I want to say that the guitarists who have been unquestionably influential might not necessarily be our favorite players. Eddie does rule though.
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Reply:464 days 2 hours 38 minutes ago
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Frank Zappa people! He showed that it was possible to not play the industry's game, and be successful at it. And that there's more to life than a minor pentatonic over a 4/4. And tha musicians can have serious, well thought out political opinions (not bashing the Maharishi or anything..).
Reply:463 days 16 hours 5 minutes ago
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Matt Bellamey doesn't deserve to be on the front cover of Total Guitar
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