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Original message:864 days 13 hours 16 minutes ago

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So I picked up a pocket pod for shits and giggles, its a pretty cool little unit. I run it in direct mode, one of the only draw backs is that it don't have a footswitch so i couldn't see gigging with it but for a at home device it works pretty well, and the software to do the editing via usb is pretty good too.

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Reply:864 days 12 hours 49 minutes ago
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pocket pod? never heard of it. Line6 has been a busy little bee lately and I haven't kept up with the new stuff...

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Reply:863 days 22 hours 18 minutes ago
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Hmmmn. Me either. I have the PODxt, fairly cool when in a pinch...

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Reply:863 days 14 hours 40 minutes ago
Member: inablackout

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Well I have a podxt with the metal hop model packs installed its my main pre-amp, really like the uber model. i just got the pocket pod so when travelling i don't have to haul along my pedal board a guitar and amp just throw the pocket pod in my case and grab my combo and i'm ready to go. I found that i needed to change the out put setting to direct to get the tone i wanted from it. being as i don't front end an amp i use the pod as a preamp solely.

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Reply:863 days 13 hours 37 minutes ago
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Very cool.

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Reply:861 days 9 hours 53 minutes ago
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I just saw the ads, they look VERY cool. Line6 is cool stuff... They get better and better all the time...

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Reply:861 days 1 hours 17 minutes ago
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I like the recto model in it sounds beefy to me. definetly worth the 129 bucks.

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Reply:859 days 7 hours 39 minutes ago
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129, eh? Definitely deal. Cool stuff.

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Reply:858 days 14 hours 40 minutes ago
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IhateyouIhateyouIhateyou...!!!!

The pocket POD is friggin awesome! It smokes my POD2 anyway, both in price and in size and the features are quite similar... I'm depressed...

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Reply:858 days 14 hours 22 minutes ago
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One of the coolest features about Line 6 gear (amps, processors) is that a lot of them can share patches. For example, I can use tones created on PODxt, Vetta and Flextones. Some might not sound the same, but the base models are very close. I wonder if you can use tones crated on the PODxt on that Pocket POD?

I bought a Micro BR for travel and love it. Gives me effects, multitrack recording, drum machine, tuner. If it had been made by L6, it would be perfect.

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Reply:858 days 13 hours 43 minutes ago
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I'm pretty sure the new line6 stuff is quite compatible. Maybe you'll need to swap the built in models in order to import patches from models that are not built in. But there is nothing you can do about effects I think.

What is highly IN-compatible is the old pod2

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Reply:856 days 23 hours 1 minutes ago
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Yeah, the whole non-backward compatibility issue sucks. I've got tons of tones from my Flextone II XL, and I can't use them on my XT Live. Not that I'm complaining though, since I love messin' around with that stuff anyway.

The XT Live rocks. I use it in direct mode when I'm jamming with the cover band, and it smokes. Best of all I don't need to lug around a halfstack!!

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Reply:846 days 10 hours 4 minutes ago
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I have a Pod II, an old flextone and a Podxt (With all of the expansion packs!)
And I have to say i agree with you guys: I LOVE being able to save/store patches. It's really a cool feature in my mind.
From there, swapping/sharing tones is the next level of coolness. Doing that with the Boss GT8 is a real bitch... (Impossibly hard...)

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Reply:843 days 21 hours 1 minutes ago
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I thought all the pod models were useless due to the fact that you can't play live with them...

I saw the pocket pod in GC magazine and it's chill, but If you can't play with it with your drummer, what's the point?

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Reply:843 days 15 hours 7 minutes ago
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why can't you play live with em? use my PODxt at practice all the time. I just grabbed the pocket pod for home use. theres some pretty cool patches straight from the factory in it.

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Reply:843 days 9 hours 17 minutes ago
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Tone purists claim the PODs don't live up to the real-thing sound. Doesn't mean they can't produce killer sounds though. Who cares for accurate tone reproduction of some peice of gear if the tones are good enough in their own right?

If the pocket POD shows up im my corner of the world I migh have to pick it up and give my pod2 to my bro...

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Reply:843 days 9 hours 5 minutes ago
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A lot of the problem people have with it is because it can be "digital" sounding...it's not really something that can be explained very well. You just have to feel the difference. The response, "spongy"-ness, and decay of notes on a digital model are just not quite what they are on a good tube amp.

I have an old POD 2 that I love to use for getting down ideas, but for actual recording or playing live you'll never catch me using anything other than the real thing.

The only argument I can think of concerning the POD has "good enough tones in its own right", is that it's not designed to have "good enough tones in its own right". It is designed to digitally emulate as closely as possible the real thing (Although there are some line6 exclusive patches). That's the problem a lot of people have with them...they may sound good on their own, but they're trying to sound as much like Mesas, Marshalls, Soldanos, Dumbles, etc as possible. And anyone who does an A/B test with the real thing will tell you it's just not quite the same.

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Reply:842 days 14 hours 32 minutes ago
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Yeah ok they do try to model the amps and granted it will never sound 100% the same and not only because it is in digital. Right from the beginning, matching the modelled preamp with one of the much fewer modelled cabs and considering the modelled mic'ing, it is really not to wonder they don't match exactly. With different cabs and mike positions you can't match a real amp with it own self...

Anyway, once you get over the "accurate emulation" part, you can get out of it tones to work with. Depending also on how demanding and/or prejudiced you are...

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Reply:842 days 14 hours 8 minutes ago
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Oh I'm not saying they're not useful (I own one and have found uses for it) I'm just saying that, for my purposes, a POD just won't cut it live or in the studio.

But congratulations on your acquisition anyway. New gear is always great!

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Reply:842 days 14 hours 51 minutes ago
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When I bought my podxt i wasn't real impressed with it, there were some good models in it, but i didn't find one that suited me until i got the metal shop model pack, the uber model is the one i use as my main rhythm tone. As far as owning the real thing I can't see spending 1000's of dollars on an amp when i can get a good tone for far less.

remember one draw back on the pocket pod is theres no foot switch, which would make using it live a bitch.

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Reply:842 days 14 hours 30 minutes ago
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So... the pocket pod showed up here too, and it goes for the same price as a BOSS metal distortion...

I'm so totally picking one up, after I take a break from expenses first... :p

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Reply:842 days 5 hours 41 minutes ago
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I'll pick one up too. It's small, and sounds cool. Can you connect the existing flextone footswitch to the pocket the same way you can the xt?

The POD sounds fine through amps, etc, but you HAVE to turn the amp modelling off, otherwise, she gets a bit ugly sounding...And no matter what, it sounds pure "line6" which is not such a bad thng in my opinion. I do it all the time! (I prefer amp and EH tone...)
The Boss GT8 Sounds amazing, too... Awesome effects, I love the pitch shifting capabilities, and the phasers. Just awesome!

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Reply:842 days 2 hours 36 minutes ago
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I think I've formulated why I'm not so much about the modeling:

First, I just don't like having so many options that I don't really have one single "tone" that's mine. I'd much rather get an amp and some good analog pedals and find my personal Holy Grail.

Second, and this just comes from the music schooling, if someone pays to see a concert or hear a recording, then they're not paying for "almost the real thing" or "so close they can't tell it's not the real thing". The listening audience deserves no less than my best all the time, every time. That being said, "almost" just isn't good enough IMO. To me, that means giving them THE tone that I think is best, not a digital model of a tone that is very close to what I think is best.

BUT...like I said above, I DO own a pod and it is definitely useful for quietly recording stuff into the laptop. I have customized some patches to be pretty darned close to what my rig sounds like, so i can get an idea and general feel for how it should sit in a mix if I were to pursue a song idea I burned with the POD.

You'll just never catch me using one live ;)

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Reply:841 days 16 hours 33 minutes ago
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In your case it seems more psychological than hard evidence.

I'm not trying to proove you wrong here. I just think it is hypocritical to hide behind the audience, because the audience can't hear and doesn't care for these little subtle details, and I'm saying that as a member of the audience, not as a performer. Come out straight honest and say it feels better playing a real amp (or maybe you did already). I totally understand that!

Anyway, if you like an amp and it can do all your tone needs and you have the bucks for it, then definitelly yes.
But if are a bedroom player like me and you are all over the spectrum, unresolved about "your" tone, you simply can't have half a dozen tube amps with 4x12" cabs stacked in your 8'x7' bedroom. And I'd feel very constrained if I was tied to one type of sound.

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Reply:840 days 23 hours 6 minutes ago
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Well I am being straight honest...nothing I said was dishonest or "hiding behind" the audience. I just choose to put my best foot forward at all times and sadly, a digital emulator is NOT my best foot. The audience deserves no less than my best. That is NOT "hiding" behind them...that's the plain truth behind being a passionate performer and artist. I'm not going to half-ass a show, whether it's for 2 people or 2 million.

As an audience member myself, I would expect no less of the artist.. Especially if I paid $35 to see a show from 4000 yards away in the nosebleed section. That's why artists like Steve Vai and Paul Gilbert appeal to my sense of living up to these expectations...to me, they always seem to put on a rock-solid show and have fun doing it.

I'm NOT saying that you shouldn't or can't use digital stuff for a show. IF you think it's your best sound, then by all means. For me, that's just not the case.

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God, that sounded way more abrasive than it was intended to be...sorry.

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Reply:841 days 14 hours 48 minutes ago
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8x7 bedroom, are you in prison ibzRG? Sorry had to throw that out there.

too each thier own as far as the search for "thier" tone goes. I would like to have a engel or a krank amp, but being as I'm not a touring musician the cost of such amps can't be justified. I do however like the sound of a cranked tube amp, but i can get a sound that works for me at a lower volume if i want and i don't have to worry about the cops banging on my door.

I also know a few other guitarists around my area that have pods and to me they tones they use sound like ass, where mine are smooth and full sounding thiers sound somewhat like a hornets nest in a barrell, I spent a bit o time with my podxt to get the tones i want from it, seems like some people want to plug it in and go, like anyother piece of equipment ya need to spend time with it to get the sound you want.

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Reply:841 days 7 hours 55 minutes ago
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I like to think of it as "cozy". I'm a lazy a$$ and want to reach everything without getting up if I can help it. Ok maybe it is not 8'x7', I have no sense for the imperial system. 2.8meters x 2.4 meters you figure it out. Still pretty small...

It probably wasn't fully meant to be a bedroom... More like an small room to put a desk or keep a baby, store stuff in the big closets, maybe serve as a guestroom for sleepovers... But it was time my bro and I parted and he got to keep the more normal room. I can't complain though...

Back to the pocket pod now...

How do you browse through 340 presets??? The controls on it seem pretty inadequate for efficient browsing... And I suspect you do the effects and amp tweakings by use of the computer only?

On a second thought, it has the same effects and amps and cabs as my POD2.0 ... Technically, I should be able to recreate any patch of the pocket's on my current POD, right?

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Reply:841 days 7 hours 50 minutes ago
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Roughly 9.2 ft. by 7.9 ft. Sounds like you were only shorting yourself a foot in each direction. :)

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Reply:841 days 7 hours 46 minutes ago
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Hey thanks... I may be a bit generous with the metric system values, so my foot estimate was not too far off. I estimated the feet trying to imagine myself lying on the floor. I'm a round 6' tall...

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Reply:841 days 46 minutes ago
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its set up in a menu style.

3 different catagories, User, Artist, preset. you push up down to pick one then push right to bring up the next menu and pick a bank or an artist, then push right again and choose a patch or song tone..

I would think you could get the tones from line6 tone library, could go down load a patch to your computer and put into the pod 2.0.

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