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Original message:23 days 9 hours 29 minutes ago
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So I'm interested in building my own 4x12 cabinet. It looks simple enough, especially since I already have a frame. So now I just need to know the technical stuff of speakers and ohms and watts and such. I heard that if you are running a full stack you need either 8 or 16 ohms per cab. 4 can burn up your head. Is this true? secondly, what is the difference between 4, 8 and 16 ohms? I'm only running a half stack right now, but I would like to have the option to upgrade if, you know... Madison square gardens ever return my calls to play there.

Next issue is speakers. I know I want 12" speakers. I was able to find out the scoop on the differences between 8-15 inches. What about the watts though? Is a certain number of watts the speakers have to be rated for? I have a 100 watt head.

I'm sure that many of these answers are preference related. I will mainly play rock through this cab. You know the loud, raw, highly over-driven meaty tone... if that helps. Those are of course the technical terms for that sound.

Any other tid bits and nuggets of advice would be greatly appreciated. Along with the inside I'm going to customize the outside so, any advice there would be good too.
Reply:22 days 4 hours 29 minutes ago
Member: eds1275
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Your amplifier probably can't go any lower than 4 ohms - so of course 2 8 ohm cabs equals 4 ohms. I would say wire both your cabs with 16 ohm speakers in series/parallel for a total of 16 ohms per cab so that when you combine the 2 cabs your total ohmage is 8 ohms which is safe for just about any setup. Since you are using a 100 watt head, I suggest you use 25 watt or more speakers, so the grand total will be equal to or greater than 100 watts.

As for the outside, I recomend getting a router and even if only very slightly rounding all corners and edges where your fabric will cover, so that when you pull it tight it doesn't tear anywhere. I use this stuff by 3M for gluing fabrics - I have done cabs with tolex, vinyl, patterned fabric - I have done it more than once as you can see.

Lay the cab on it's TOP, so that you begin working at the bottom where the wheels go. Spray some glue, spread it around, and stick your fabric to it only covering the one face [not the front or back]. Staple the fabric to the cab where the wheels will go later, so that you remove the staple when the wheel is installed [after the glue is dry]. Roll the cab onto it's side, spray the glue, pull it tight etc. and staple where your corner covers will go. Smooth out the bubbles as you do each side if you are working with an air tight fabric like vinyl or tolex. The main deal here is to work in a clean area because if anything gets caught between the fabric and the wood, it'll show. The problem is everything sticks to glue, so you have to be damn careful. When you get back to where you started on the bottom, overlap the fabric - and using a NEW BLADE ON AN EXACTO KNIFE AND A STRAIGHTEDGE, cut through BOTH layers of fabric. It is important that your blade is RAZOR sharp, and do it in ONE stroke - pull out the scrap from underneath the second layer and fit your fabric together, it will line up perfectly. This is where I let it dry.

Now when you get back to it, pull the fabric back and cut out from each corner, spray with glue, fold the fabric in, and staple the hell out of it. All your seams should fall into the corners and be near-invisible if not completely so. The same method applios to both the front and back of the cabinet. Then, where your wheels go, if they just mount on the outside of the cab, then install them over top of the fabric. If they are the kind that gets a hole drilled then the base installed, and then the wheel screws into that, just measure and cut your holes where you need them., then install your front and back panels after you have applied your fabrics to them. Or install a metal grille on the front if thats what you want. Add your coner pieces and whala!

Where large holes will be [for example if you have recessed handles or a large jack plate on the back] cut an X in the fabric, corner to corner, add glue, and fold them inwards, then install your handles/jack plate/ashtray in the hole.
Reply:19 days 6 hours 57 minutes ago
Member: Alex Koepp
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Eds you seem to be know what you are talking about so I got a quick question for you, I have this cab

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-Ultrastack-BG412S-4x12-Stereo-Cab-with-Jensen-Speakers?sku=480672

and this head

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Marshall-MG100HDFX-Head-?sku=483103

if I crank out all the volume I can from that head is there any danger of blowing speakers or such on that cab or since its a 100w head and 400w cab will it be perfectly fine, i've never tried for fear of damaging my equipment
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Reply:16 days 14 hours 49 minutes ago
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you'll be more likly to fry the output transformer than blowing the cab. check my post below. those behringers are the best bang for the buck. i just added the straight cab, big smile BIG SMILE.
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Reply:19 days 4 hours 53 minutes ago
Member: eds1275
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In theory, yes. In practice, probably.

100 watts is a pretty big generelization - there are dips and spikes to every power suuply and a surge with your amp on ten will probbly do some damage, though you may not notice it right away. Also, clipping your power amp's input [an amp head is divided into two parts, pre and power amp - the preamp shapes the tone while the poewr amp amplifies it] so by putting too hot a signal through your amp via incorrect settings on your guitar pedals, plugging stuff into your amp that you shouldn't [like a cd player into your input jack, especially using something like a headphone output] or changing the gain level in your effects loop, you can clip your power amp which will cause your voice coil to heat up and burn out fast. This can even be done whjile using low to moderate volume setti9ngs, don't think your amp has to be loud to blow [incorrect gain staging is the number one reason for idiots to blow PA tweeters!!!]. So yeah, doing that can bugger stuff royally. But it takes a special kind of fool to do damage like that.

Also impedance mismatching can damage your amplifier, though a solid state amp is actually way more tolerant to imp[edance mismatches than a tube amp, because a tube amp "expects" to see some speakers at the other end, and solid state amps kinda just dont care one way or another.

So basically what I'm saying is match impedances, dont overload your amp, and if you find somewhere to crank one up to ten, I'd be amazed. Two years from now, if you're a gigging musician chances are good you'll wonder why you never took this advice: Buy yourself a closed back 2x12 like the Marshall 1936... and maybe you'll have enough room in your car for some hot groupies and a back still strong enough to handle the action associated with that.
Reply:19 days 3 hours 26 minutes ago
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chances are unlikely you will blow out the speakers with that head. as eds stated, solid states heads aren't all that particluar to the speakers used. the REAL issue with solid state amps are that they really break up TOO much at peak volumes creating a rather nasy sounding crackly buzzy distortion. solid state amps are best run at low to medioum volumes for optimum performance. i don't imagine you'll have much problems with that setup, but i doubt you'll really like the sound all the way cranked up......
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Reply:16 days 14 hours 53 minutes ago
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unless its a high power poweramp, you'll have more head room. i run a crown CE1000 into a behringer full stack. it doesn't get that break up. i guess it depends on the amp and the why it used...
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