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I found this pretty interesting in a strange sort of way. My studio is constantly getting comments about how our recordings don't sound like what you hear on the radio. Then, we view dynamic range as an important part of music. (Unless it's metal where there are few dynamics in the first place.


Why New Music Doesn't Sound As Good As It Did
Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:17PM EDT

Never mind that today's factory-produced starlets and mini-clones just don't have the practiced chops of the supergroups of yesteryear, pop in a new CD and you might notice that the quality of the music itself—maybe something as simple as a snare drum hit—just doesn't sound as crisp and as clear as you're used to. Why is that?

It's part of the music industry's quest to make music louder and louder, and it's been going on for decades, at least since the birth of the compact disc. Click the link for a nice little video, a mere 2 minutes long, which explains it in detail, with audio cues that you'll be able to hear in crisp detail.

The key to the problem is that, in making the soft parts of a track louder (in the process making the entire track loud), you lose detail in the song: The difference between what's supposed to be loud and what's supposed to be soft becomes less and less. The result is that, sure, the soft parts of a song are nice and loud, but big noises like drum beats become muffled and fuzzy. But consumers often subconsciously equate loudness with quality, and thus, record producers pump up the volume. Anything to make a buck.

The bigger problem is that this is all unnecessary. Stereo equipment is more powerful today than ever, and last time I checked, every piece of music hardware had a volume knob.

Don't take my word for it: Pop in the first CD you bought and play it at the same volume level as the most recent one you bought. You might be shocked by what you hear.

Anyone still wondering why the music business is suffering?
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Reply:407 days 18 hours 27 minutes ago
Member: Jason
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I remember reading something about this. Do you have a link to the video mentioned in this article by any chance? I would say it's as bad as making commercials on TV louder than the shows but in this case they're actually defiling the artists work..

Bastards!
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Reply:407 days 18 hours 8 minutes ago
Member: Xarkzila
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Hang on... I'll find a link if I can...

This was sent to me by my first ex... This link is enclosed in the article, but does not take you to the same article. It does, however, present a decent audio example:

http://funl.blogspot.com/2007/06/loudness-war.html

It's all I've got from it.
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Reply:407 days 17 hours 44 minutes ago
Member: Xarkzila
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Here's another link from that article. A nice little history of this despicable practice!

http://www.mindspring.com/~mrichter/dynamics/dynamics.htm
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Reply:407 days 16 hours 34 minutes ago
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Here's the vid embedded. Yeah this is total nonsense if this is really a common thing.
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Reply:407 days 14 hours 35 minutes ago
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I have heard that "modern professional studios" use tons of compression to achieve this effect. To me, it would seem better to be able to record something with as little extra processing as possible to remain closer to the "natural" sound of the instruments.
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Reply:407 days 13 hours 36 minutes ago
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I read about this on Yahoo the other day. Ya know, it actually does hurt my head sometimes, and I think it might be the over-compressed sound that's doing it.
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Reply:406 days 23 hours 42 minutes ago
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We're part of the old guard. When we record, we generally use almost nothing on our tracks. Sure there's a lot of things that get compression on the way in, but it's necessary to get a smooth track to start with and the first pass doesn't kill the dynamics. Besides we can add dynamic back at this point just by using the faders. I also have an old hardware expander/filter that will undo light compression.

We ran into this issue when we mastered the Colorado Blues Society third compilation CD. They get submissions from lots of different local artists, so the CD's we get to compile and remaster are all over the board. Some with LOTS of dynamics. These are usually home done projects. The typical home "engineer" doesn't fully understand how you can create constant "noise" volume with compression, and when they try usually drop the attempt because it ends up sounding bad. We did have a couple cuts that were "professionally" destroyed in this manner, however.

When you're trying to make a compilation, everything needs to sound as if it belongs together, so this was a difficult task. What we ended up with was much like the recording, we just had to turn it down. There was so little difference between the soft and loud, (these tracks never dropped below -4db,) that they ended up sounding like the sample recording in this post... Flat, whimpy, loud sound... Once it's been done you can't fix it or undo it, unless you have the original tracks.
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Reply:406 days 15 hours 48 minutes ago
Member: Evil Kitty
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I will defer to Xark on the hows and whys as it seems he has much more experience at this then I. My understanding of compression, and why I use it, is to keep insturument frequencies from blending together and creating a muddy sounding mix. You want to be able to hear individual instruments and not a non distinguishable sound.

I do know there is no consistancy with albums volumes as I keep my mp3 player on random most of the day (at work) and have to constanly raise and lower the volume - very annoying!!

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