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Original message:433 days 11 hours 4 minutes ago
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Member: johnmarkh
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First day I get them going with extremely simple things. They know that there are 7 letters, ABCDEFG, to name different notes. Then they learn what each string is.

In a week or two they usually learn what a whole step and half step are, a next week they learn what flat and sharp mean. We figure out what notes we're playing when we go through smoke on the water on each string.

After a few chords I teach them major third = 2 steps, minor = 1.5 steps. I explain the 1 3 5 of a major chord, and we figure out what we're playing in our very easy chords of G, C, C, E, A, and D. Eventually we learn what's in a minor and learn E, A, and D min...etc. I pretty much go as high as we need to learn for the style they're shooting for.

It seems like I get kids from the guitar shops, and they really don't know what's going on with notes. I don't think there's been one kid that's known how to name notes (I've only taught for 6 months with correntyl, 14 students, though) I mean...the thing makes music, why not learn basic parts of ..get this...music. I think it helps communicating with them a lot, and makes me feel like I'm not just taking their money and teaching them what they could on their own. And come on..piano, cello, violin, trombone...all of these students learn notes and rhythm. Why not the guitar player?
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Reply:431 days 13 hours 21 minutes ago
Member: Captain Fantastic
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I particularly enjoy (sarcasm) when students ask why they have to learn to read, or why scales and arpeggios, or inversions, or whatever. Then I'll take the tab that they insist on bringing with them and I say, "Let's say you're creative, or lucky, enough to write a great tune. Let's say you want to now record it but you don't play bass or piano or can't transcribe your concert pitch melody for bari or alto sax and you give your scribbled tablature to musicians that can play those instruments. What do think they'll be able to do with your guitar tablature, laugh you out of the room?

Yes. That's exactly what will happen!

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Reply:431 days 9 hours 26 minutes ago
Member: jttrussler
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I agree. Theory is the cornerstone of a healthy diet. If you take it with eggs and a little bit of salsa it is just delicious. It was easier for me to learn it because I knew about notes and stuff for years so learning theory was pretty much like putting names to things I didn't have names for before. Then I chill...and bust rhymes a type ill. But thats another thread.
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Reply:374 days 11 hours 37 minutes ago
Member: Grensley
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basic theory is necessary (Basically notes, rhythms, scales, chords), but advanced generally isn't really required (unless you are improvising)
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Reply:284 days 18 hours 13 minutes ago
Member: Atc_Gtr
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totally required when I'm teaching beginners (to friends and I'm not taking any money because I'm not a pro I'm just playing for 3 years) trying to teach them basic theory and they're all like "teach how to play metallica/rhcp/nirvana or what was the stuff you did ? Teach me soloing. etc...
In Turkey anyone who plays guitar for 6 months starts to see his/herself a pro guitar player that knows everything and can be a paid teacher .(not me luckly =] )
It's just bugging me too much..... :( maybe I should open a topic about this.
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Reply:278 days 15 hours 2 minutes ago
Member: Zombre
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Well it's all about communication, right? I guess it depends on what level the student in question wants to communicate at...

Another good analagy is this; What if you didn't know how to read? (You know, words, signs, etc...) Or count/basic math?
How would that impact your life? Same thing in the music version...
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Reply:278 days 12 hours 57 minutes ago
Member: zenguitar
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How much theory I teach my students depends alot on their individual personality, and their level of commitment and of course practice. All my students I at least try to get them to learn to name all the notes on the fretboard, starting first with only the natural notes, and then adding in the flats and sharps. They all learn basic reading, though some progress very fast, and some very slow. For example, I have had students for over a year and they have barely done 3-4 strings. And then I have some very dedicated and smart students who practically finish the book, and all six strings in a few months.

Usually the order that I teach them theory in goes something like this:
1. naming notes on fretboard
2. intervals ---understanding how they work, and also memorizing how to play them on the guitar
3. circle of fifths --- once they understand intervals they are ready to learn the circle of fifths. I try to get them to learn how to draw a circle of fifths from memory, and then later I push them to learn how to "draw the circle in their imagination".
4. I teach them how to use the circle of fifths to determine all the notes in a given key (the key signature), and all of the basic triads in a given key.
by this point, they also should already know or be working on the 5 basic positions/patterns of the major scale.
5. I try to give them assignments like create 5 different chord progressions in 5 different keys, etc...and then solo over it with the appropriate scale, in at least 2 different positions, or even better all 5 positions.
6. Arpeggios.
7. I might teach them things like cadences, phrase construction, to help them tighten up their composition or improvising efforts.
8. miscellaneous things like extended harmony, modulation, different scales.

Generally no 7 or 8 is the farthest I have gotten with any students so far. And some students simply are not ready for any serious theory. Some eat it up like candy. You have to judge who is and when they are ready for it. And the bottom line is, the most important thing is the end result. I don't care if a student of mine knows all or none of theory in the world, they have to be able to play the guitar --- that is your primary job as a guitar teacher. Anybody can learn to play guitar, but only a few people will even try to learn to be a musician....
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