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Original message:522 days 20 hours 20 minutes ago
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I've taken music theory classes in high school, and I can read music pretty well.

I can also read tabs.

And personally I like standard notation. There is just so much that tabs just don't deliver.
But tabs are also way more accessible and easier to write.

So it begs the question, which do you prefer?
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Reply:520 days 2 hours 56 minutes ago
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I don't like tab at all because of a handful of factors...

1. It doesn't tell the player fingerings
2. Unless stems are written on the numbers, the player has no idea about the rhythm of the piece/tune [unless the tab is being used to supplement what's being done by ear]
3. It's impossible to communicate a written musical idea with a musician who is not a guitarist. What's going to happen when you hand guitar tab to a pianist, bassist, sax player or otherwise? They're probably going to try to strike you with something blunt.

The read language of music is manuscript. Try taking a symbol based language like Chinese and learn it with a letter based alphabet.
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Reply:518 days 10 hours 58 minutes ago
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True, tabs are just not universal. We had an all women group in the studio about a month back. They met for the first time the day before hitting the studio. They practiced for 4 hours and then laid down 17 cuts. Sure they were all covers and, yes, they're all pros, but still... Each and every one of them had sheet music! There wasn't a tab in sight.

Does this mean we never see tabs in the studio? Not at all. What I have seen is that amatures bring tabs and chicken scratchings. Pros bring fully notated sheet music.
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Reply:518 days 3 hours 41 minutes ago
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I like both together. I use the tab to learn songs that I have already heard. I use the standard notation to tell me what the tab doesn't. I majored in Music in college so during those years, I read as much standard notation as I did alpabetic notation. I still prefer both together though. Maybe I'm just lazy.
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Reply:518 days 55 minutes ago
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A boatload of modern flamenco literature is written with both. It'll give an unedited manuscript with tab underneath to show what strings to play the pitches on, whereas classic guitar lit will show fingerings and string assignments next to notes and nixing the tab thing all together.
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Reply:517 days 15 hours 53 minutes ago
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They each have their advantages and disadvantages. Neither tells you the whole story. So it depends what information you consider important.

Most beginners want to play tunes they've heard before. So they will have the correct timing more or less) in their head. What they need most is to know how to find the notes, where to put their fingers. So tab suits them best.

More advanced players often need to play something they've not heard before. So they need clear timing informaiton, that only notation can provide. They know how to find the notes (where to put their fingers) and also usually want the choice to be able play those notes in any position they choose. So tab is irrelevant for them.

Many other people (perhaps most!) are somewhere in between. I much prefer notation myself, and generally only use tab when teaching (although I always provide notation too). But occasionally I seek out tab when trying to learn a difficult guitar part - it helps to know where the original player played it, which is not always obvious from the sound. (Of course I know that most tabbers are only going by what they think the original position was, but it's good to have other opnions. This is particularly the case when the original player used an unusual tuning, of which I'm not aware, but someone else might be.)
Reply:513 days 20 hours 42 minutes ago
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Well tell you the truth just starting out i prefer tab, but if you get the program Guitar Pro wtvr number it gives you the tab version and it also gives you the standard notation so really if you want both there you go, its a great program it even lets you listen to it, id suggest that for begginners, because im a beginner myself and its just awsome
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Reply:513 days 15 hours 34 minutes ago
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From what I've seen of Guitar Pro, its notation is often incorrect. Not wrong notes, exactly, but incorrect enharmonics, that sort of thing. It's a bit like an automatic translation of a foreign language - you can understand it, the words are right, but it's grammatically awkward or inelegant.

Not saying it's not a great piece of software - just don't rely on it to teach yourself notation. (Just in case you might have been thinking about that... ;-) )
Reply:513 days 20 hours 5 minutes ago
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I much prefer notation over tabs. Now that I've learned the notes of the neck I can't stand to read tabs.
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Reply:509 days 17 hours 8 minutes ago
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Music reading is a unique type of skill, where you don't really see the full benefits of it until maybe a few, or several years down the road. Infact, in the early stages, it may actually be easier to learn something fairly advanced "by ear" or with tab or both. Music notation actually makes certain things HARDER to learn in the early stages. But then there comes a certain turning point....where all of a sudden it makes learning advanced music EASIER, much easier. Where and when that turning point happens will be different for everyone, based on the amount of time spent practicing it each day, and of course if you are doing it alone, or with help from a teacher or teachers. The absolute best possible way to learn to read music is to join your school band and/or choir, and then later study music in college. With the college study being much more intense.

Anyways, if you have the patience and self-discipline to constantly work on your music reading, down the road you will be so glad you took that route. Of my entire 6 year college career.....it is the only thing I am still using today, and I'm very happy to have learned it. Infact, I get such a satisfaction out of my reading skills, that it made the entire 6 years of college, loads of stupid useless classes, and thousands of dollars in tution well worth it....seriously.

One point I have to bring up, JonR you said that both have their advantages and disadvantages, and that neither tells you the whole story....that is fairly inaccurate to say about properly notated guitar music. In a well notated guitar score, there are no disadvantages, or any missing parts of the story. It is possible you may come across something where something was inadvertanly left out and therefore some confusion as to the execution or fingering may be a temporary problem, but that is a fault of the transcriber, not of music notation. Music notation as a system is complete and can account for anything you could possibly need to know. I have a large collection of sheet music, and I have yet to come across a single piece where the exact execution of the piece was not 100% clear. So I have to completely disagree with you on that point---at least your assertion that "neither tells the whole story".

I would agree with you that there may be some percievable disadvantages to music notation, and mainly in my opinion it would be as I already stated---music notation in the early stages actually makes it harder to teach something that is simple to play "by ear" or to learn by demonstration. So in the early stages it actually goes kind of slow, and is hard to see the benefits, especially when you learned something much more advanced "by ear". But like I said, once you get over that initial hump, the trend completely reverses. A good analogy would be like that huge roller-coaster ride where it takes you forever to climb up to the top, but once you get over that hump, you are free-falling at 100mph having the time of your life.

Despite my great appreciation and love for music notation, I think TAB can be useful with students at times and I'm not afraid to use it. I especially like TAB with the rhythmic stems, because at least your developing some music notation skills at the same time.
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