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Original message:179 days 9 hours 45 minutes ago
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OK I have a chord that sounds cool, but im not sure exactly what it is. The root is a D, then theres an F# and a G. That's a root, a third and a fourth. I've looked in my chord book but the only chord with a fourth was a sus4, and EVERYTHING had a fifth. Anyone know what it's called?
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Reply:178 days 22 hours 44 minutes ago
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the chord used for goodbye blue skies(floyd)....i would call it a sus chord.
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Reply:178 days 7 hours 32 minutes ago
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Yes.
Goodbye Blue Sky (thought about than one too).
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Reply:178 days 17 hours 3 minutes ago
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If you use F# as the root instead of D, you would get an F#7 without the 3rd...
Another possibilty is to call it a Dadd4 or Dadd11 with no 5th...
One thing I'm rather certain of is that whatever you call it, it is a fragment of a chord. So try the complete F#7 and the complete Dadd4 and see which fits best in the context of the tune you use it in.

I'm null at theory though, so I don't know what possible names are "politically correct"...
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Reply:178 days 8 hours 42 minutes ago
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Reply:178 days 2 minutes ago
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I'm going to say it's a second inversion Gmaj7/D. I really hear G as the root. As per function, this shape (and it's a GOOD one) is cool to plug in for rootless Major seven chords using the top of the chord as your root, or you can add a root below, still no third in the voicing.

But this is one of those shapes you can just start bouncing the root around. Plug a fat low E under that voicing and you have a nice lush Emi9 voicing Plug a C in the bass and you start moving into polytonal sounds. Compare playing C-D-F#-G to C-E-G-D-F#-A a full poly chord (C|D) ....Add a B below that and youre now at the X-files chord....B-D-F#-G. I think this three note shape really does a lot for guitar harmony...it sounds striking on a piano, but even more effective on guitar for some reason.

So great question, the chord naming isn't as straight forward as a triad, but the rule of thumb is when you see a minor second cluster like that, the higher note is usually the root. What's the root of this chord?

D-F-B-C

Often when you start dealing with harmony that is more ambiguous, it's really up to the composer to define what tonality he means to be conveying, usually by way of a key signature...or a chord symbol in jazz...accompanied by the voicing. Wow, after several years posting in this forum I don't think I've ever seen this particular chord show up for discussion. Good find, and great question!

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Reply:177 days 23 hours 2 minutes ago
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ok im having a bit of trouble understanding most of that but i think i get it, so this chord could have several different roots and could be used in lots of keys?
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Reply:177 days 22 hours 37 minutes ago
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Well, Think of that particular voicing initially as a Maj7 voicing, and it's root is the top note, in this case G. If you moved the whole shape up a whole step to A it would be Amaj7.

And yes this chord could have several different roots. As with all chords it can be used in every key.

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Reply:177 days 16 hours 47 minutes ago
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I don't think moving the chord around was what he meant by "different roots"... I think he meant that any of the notes could be seen as the root, depending on context key.


PS. and I need to correct myself. When I said F#7 I really wasn't thinking clearly. I definitely meant the Gmaj7. F#7 has completely different notes in it (F#, D#,C and A). Sorry about that.
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Reply:177 days 10 hours 30 minutes ago
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For simplicity sake, I would just view the top of the chord the as the root in this instance, in otherwords treat it the same way as you would if the root were in the bottom of the chord in terms of visualization, and where to plug it in, in progressions. If I am playing a song, and there is a Gmaj7 in it, I can play this voicing (D-F#-G), instead of, G-B-D-F#. See the root will just be on the top of the chord instead of the bottom.

SUS4...guys there is nothing sus in this chord. If you want to look at it as D, then you have an F# to contend with (a clear major third) which is where the sus would resolve to.

Quick lesson on Sus chords:

-They are not major or minor. They have no third therfore work for BOTH major and minor situations.

-SUS means Suspension. Generally you have 4-3, 2-1 as the most common suspensions, and they resolve downward. (in other words if this were Dsus4 the G would resolve to the third F# not the fifth A.

This chord COULD be a sus if spelled C-D-F#-G and resolved to B-D-F#-G. That's kind of nice, but if you want to make a case for Dsus, the F# must go!

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Reply:177 days 13 hours 54 minutes ago
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I don't have my guitar in front of me, but it sounds like it would be a Dsus4. It would resolve to a D major by moving the G up to an A.
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Reply:177 days 12 hours 57 minutes ago
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look it up on a site called chordbookcafe
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Reply:177 days 12 hours 34 minutes ago
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I think there is no question about it. It is definitely a G7 with the 5th in the root. You have the tonic, the dominant (5th), and the 7th of the G major scale.
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Reply:177 days 11 hours 51 minutes ago
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Then you mean Gmaj7... G7 would have F instead of F#, wouldn't it?
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