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Original message:18 days 23 minutes ago
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Member: Shawn Olsen
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Sorry but i was just wondering your political status and if you could who youd vote for for president
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Reply:18 days 10 minutes ago
Member: Hippieway
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I can and I will vote I always have and always do at every opportunity. I will be taking my 12 year old daughter with me also as I have since she could walk. This country needs people to care and one of the best ways to demostrate that is to vote.
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Reply:18 days 6 minutes ago
Member: inablackout
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I am not affiliated with either party, they are both crooked as hell. basically put i will vote for who ever i think i can live with. personally i don't think any of the current candidates are worthy of office.


McCain will follow in bush's foot steps driving us deeper into the middle east, and further into economic turmoil.

Hillary waffles to much, no other country in the world will respect a woman leader, sorry its just how i see it

Obama don't want him cause he too is on the fence about too many things and he may get shot if elected and drive a wedge between races.

none of the candidates have impressed me much this time round. Its not like the peoples vote means anything anyway, the electoral colleges do that, right. as I see it we are in for another 4 years of republican leadership. i will not vote for McCain. all i remember about the 12 years of regan and bush in the 80's was economic recession and getting layed off from 2 jobs. So

all in all its more a matter of picking an evil you can live with.... I don't think there is one in the election....
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Reply:17 days 23 hours 47 minutes ago
Member: evol666
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Wait, I take issue with your "no other country in the world will respect a woman leader" comment. What about Angela Merkel?
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Reply:17 days 23 hours 18 minutes ago
Member: dcunning30
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I agree, I consider Margaret Thacher as one of the 20th century's great statesmen (woman). Personally, I'd be honored to vote for a woman to be president, I just need the right woman to vote for.
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Reply:17 days 23 hours 53 minutes ago
Member: evol666
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Amen, Hippieway! I think the main reason this country is in the mess it is in is because the general populace has become dumb, lazy consumers that are unengaged and uninformed. Politicians are not held accountable because less than 65% of the population votes. Come on, people! We bash on other Western nations like France, but in their last presidential election 85% voted.

I do not have a party affiliation. In 1996 I campaigned and voted Socialist Equality Party and in 2000 I voted for Ralph Nader. Yeah, I lean pretty far to the left. My dream is to see the 2 party monopoly in this country broken like bad habit. Neither party can get the job done; they are bought and paid for, although some candidates more than others. Both Clinton and McCain have the corporate dick right between their lips. I will not vote for either candidate, so if Clinton somehow wins the nomination, I will vote third party again.
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Reply:17 days 23 hours 13 minutes ago
Member: dcunning30
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Speaking of socialism. Noticed France and Germany have gotten the socialist experiment out of their blood and they're moving away from socialism. Angela Merkel is clearly not a socialist, nor is the new French president, Sarkozy. Consider that 85% turnout as a referendum to move away from the French socialist past. Sarkozy defeated Royal, the socialist by an easy margin.
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Reply:17 days 22 hours 22 minutes ago
Member: Chester Field
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Worst case scenario in a three party election, 34% governs the 66% of the population that did not vote for them. I'm pretty certain a good many Americans would find this unacceptable. I know I would. Hell, the last two elections should drive this point home.
Reply:17 days 21 hours 46 minutes ago
Member: evol666
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Guess I should have separated my comments. My point on France was that they have higher voter turnout and the people appear to be more engaged.

In regards to governments in Europe moving to the right, I think that has more to do with left of center governments outstaying their welcome than countries giving up on Socialism. England wanted to oust the Labour Party, but the right didn't field enough electable candidates. There is some scaling back on social programs, but don't expect to see large successes like national health care go away.
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Reply:17 days 21 hours 25 minutes ago
Member: dcunning30
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LOL, I thought about bringing up national healthcare as implemented in the UK and Canada, but I thought twice. NHC systems, though sounds like a good idea, in implementation, doesn't work well. Not at all. In the UK, they allowed market based healthcare back in 1989 because the NHS was coming up short. In a nutshell, people are not getting the care they need, so they're willing to spend their own money to see a doctor. And in Canada, if you need a surgery, or some serious care......get on the waiting list.
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Reply:17 days 20 hours 58 minutes ago
Member: shanejohnson2002
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The only issue I can see with your argument is that once the parties are toppled, they will be replaced. And the replacements can be just as easily bought and sold by those with the proper resources. The issue here isn't that the parties are corrupt...it's that they are populated by HUMANS, who being human, can easily be bought and sold for a price.

We'd all like to think we have the moral fiber to say that we can't be bought or sold, and precious few of us do. Sadly, the ones that don't usually end up in positions of power.
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Reply:17 days 19 hours 36 minutes ago
Member: evol666
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I am curious about Canada's health care system because I have heard zero complaints from Canadians. It is always people on our side of the boarder that say how horrific it is.

Would any Canadians like to chime in?
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Reply:17 days 19 hours 35 minutes ago
Member: evol666
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I get what you are saying, that all people are corruptible, but at least with a multi-party system there is more compromise which prevents one group from ramming an extreme agenda through.
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Reply:17 days 35 minutes ago
Member: dcunning30
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Canadian study as reported by Canadian news outlet.

The statment I made about the Canadian system is highlighted in this study. You gotta wait a long time to get care.

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2008/01/21/healthcare.html


CBS News did a report on the Canadian system. One mother had to wait 3 years for her son to get knee surgury. 3 YEARS!!!!! Anyone whose had knee surgury knows, if you need knee surgury, you need it done right away!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/20/health/main681801.shtml?cmp=EM8705
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Reply:16 days 21 hours 11 minutes ago
Member: angyfirebomb
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The Canadian Health system isn't that bad, but it used to be much better. Budget cuts.

(You'd think I would know more, but you'd be wrong. :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_health_care )
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Reply:17 days 23 hours 29 minutes ago
Member: inablackout
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who's angela merkel?
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Reply:17 days 23 hours 9 minutes ago
Member: dcunning30
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The 1st female chancellor of Germany. She's considered from the center-right politically. Though he had to form alliances with the more socialist parties, she's moving Germany away from socialism.
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