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Original message:133 days 17 hours 41 minutes ago
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Member: Fred Kraus

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I know we've talked about the fuel situation on another thread, but that was more about the grain shortage and the notion that Americans should stop eating as much. The rise in fuel prices has gotten to the point of insanity across the globe. I'm also concerned about the hurricane season now that it has arrived in the US. Are these prices causing you to put off buying that guitar you had your eye on? Is the situation much worse for you than that? I'd really like to hear your thoughts on the subject.
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Reply:132 days 4 hours 40 minutes ago
Member: eds1275
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I almost can't afford gas for my mountain bike.

Seriously, it has been a fact that there is a finite amount of resources on this planet, and now that it's getting down to it.... why hasn't the electric car been perfected yet? And why are fuel efficient and hybrids wayyyy more expensive?
Reply:132 days 3 hours 50 minutes ago
Member: NoKindOfAMankind
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yeah these fuel prises are indead sick...
but i can stil buy a guitar... i'm 16
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Reply:132 days 3 hours 39 minutes ago
Member: Fred Kraus
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I believe you can lay that blame at the feet environmental lobby. They won't let us drill, no nuclear power plants, no new refineries. Christ, no wonder we're in such a mess. Right now the US is in the middle of an oil glut, but thanks to the fact that we can't refine it fast enough, your paying $4 gallon for gas, and I'm paying $5 for diesel. Those refineries are also falling apart, and we are not allowed to build new ones. And if you think this is bad, wait until the hurricanes start showing up, which should be any time now. The speculators will drive up the price every time a formation starts to brew over the Atlantic and if one of those falling apart refineries gets hit, well, we can just double the price right there. We do need to find alternatives, but if we don't start drilling and increasing our refining capacity, the next depression will make the last one look like a square dance.
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Reply:131 days 23 hours 20 minutes ago
Member: EllsBells
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Well, here in the UK, I filled my car up at the weekend for 116.9p per litre, which is equivalent to 8 and a half bucks a gallon. Now it's summer, I've been cycling to work to cut down my useage as it's so expensive.

I get to pay more tax since I drive an old car too. Nice huh?
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Reply:131 days 20 hours 26 minutes ago
Member: Richey
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Buy a new guitar or drive to work? hmmm...call in sick and buy a new guitar...lol
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Reply:131 days 19 hours ago
Member: Fred Kraus
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My god! There goes the next President. lol
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Reply:131 days 20 hours 26 minutes ago
Member: Jared
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I would have to agree, a lot of it is the enviromentalists fault for not letting us drill in Alaska. Experts say the oil reserves in alaska are bigger than any in the Middle East, but we cant touch them. Hurricane season is quickly approaching and is forecasted to be a never fierce one, so that will raise the price of everything since they have to rebuild (again). I drive an S-10 and am a college student that drive 330 mi both ways to get there and back. The truck does ok but I am really thinking about buying a more fuel effiecient car. Lately I have been riding my bike to work. As for buying a guitar Im pretty well set at this time except for some pedals, but those arent really necessary to me.
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Reply:131 days 20 hours 17 minutes ago
Member: Danno
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Fuel costs are outrageous! I've not done research on the issue but there is more than enough domestic oil to sustain us for a decent amount of time. The oil companies claim they have not control over fuel prices yet they have been posting record profits for the past several years. We are too dependent on foreign resources, and have people in power that have too much personal interest in those resources.
I drive a supercharged 2003 Mustang Cobra and I HAVE to use premium fuel. I can;t afford to fill my tank anymore and soon I'll have to stop driving it all together. This is like my dream car. I've worked hard to get it and work hard to kepp it and I won;t be able to drive it. That really effin sucks.
And for the record, I don't believe that motor vehicles are the primary source of pollution or "global warming". The fact that we keep cutting down all the tree and killing the vegetation that consume CO2 and produce O2 is probably more to blame. But motorists and auto enthusiasts are the easiest to blame, penalize, and control.
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Reply:131 days 18 hours 46 minutes ago
Member: Fred Kraus
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I hear you Danno! Personally, I think the whole global warming thing is a hype. There's no scientific evidence to support the idea the the hole in the ozone isn't a natural occurring phenomenon. The Arctic is melting according to scientists, but Antarctica is getting bigger. If there's a cold snap, it's global warming, warm day, global warming, a few bad snow storms, global warming. I understand that we need to keep the environment clean, but the environmental lobby is going to have to give up something. If we don't start drilling now, I can promise that we'll be very sorry that we didn't down the road!
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Reply:131 days 18 hours 33 minutes ago
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the gas prices have been hurting me but i have made it ok so far i guess. me and my wife both work full time so the drive to work is a concern, but we dont work that far from home so it could be worse. we have had to cut back on some things. we dont go out to eat at restaurants as often as we used to, and we have cut back on shopping. we are not planning a vacation this year, but we occasionally make plans for the weekend. kind of a " mini vacation ". we do that a couple times a year. it looks like it is going to get even more expensive so im sure we will have to cut back even more. i agree with those who are questioning why the oil companies are making record profits. if the price overseas was the one and only reason for all the price increases, then those record profits wouldnt be happening. i think we are being misled somewhere along the way.
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Reply:131 days 18 hours 17 minutes ago
Member: Fred Kraus
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I do find it odd that we were at a certain price which was fairly stable, then Katrina hits and we haven't been below $2.50 since. Why is that? How could we be cruising at a certain altitude, then wham, we're now at $3.90 and climbing, (worse in the UK), if we're not being gouged? It's not like prices went up, then started to come down. And these damned speculators have always been around. Speculators can only speculate on the news that they are given. Who gives them that news?
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Reply:131 days 16 hours 54 minutes ago
Member: Danno
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I noticed something else recently. Now I don't know if it is the same everywhere but gas prices are usually 10 cent intervals. lets say; $4.00 for reg, $4.10 for mid, and $4.20 for premium. Now its a 15-20 cents interval. On my way back from Orlando I stopped to get gas and regular was $4.09 but premium was $4.49. WTF?!?!

I also think there is something fishy going on. No one can seem to understand why the U.S. is falling head long into a recession. The fuel prices DIRECTLY EFFECT THE PRICE OF EVERYTHING WE USE! The first thing I notice going up in price was milk, and that was before gas got out of hand. I started to wonder if cows were becoming endangered or something. Now everything else is going up and employers won't pay more wages because the fuel caost has caused their overhead to increase... Now I"M ranting...

Has anyone noticed the fact that while the price of motor oil has risen, it hasn't gone up to match the rise in gas. People need more gas than oil and need it more frequently.

Anyone remember the old movie with, I think it was Lee Majors and Berges Merideth. There was no gas to be hard and the lead was driving all over scavenging gas from abandoned gas station tanks and what not? I don't remember the name of it or much more than that but that's what I foresee in our future...
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Reply:131 days 8 hours 57 minutes ago
Member: Fred Kraus
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"Anyone remember the old movie with, I think it was Lee Majors and Berges Merideth. There was no gas to be hard and the lead was driving all over scavenging gas from abandoned gas station tanks and what not? I don't remember the name of it or much more than that but that's what I foresee in our future..."


I think your referring to "The Last Chase."
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