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Original message:24 days 22 hours 24 minutes ago
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Member: Johnny
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my wife lost her job yesterday because of our failing economy. the same economy that our idiot president says is "growing at a slower rate than we would like, but is still strong." yeah, right.

she has been working at a local hospital for the past 5 years. she was told at 3:30 yesterday that her position was terminated at 2:00. a total of about 40 people were affected, and they took great pains to make sure it was a surprise. no warning whatsoever.
they wanted her to stay temporarily and work part time to train her own replacement. when she refused, they made her clean out her desk and turn in her keys immediately.

they were required by law to have a public meeting to notify the community about their intentions and to accept public opinion. conveniently they did not announce the meeting, so hardly anybody was there. that was pretty fucking dirty, not to mention illegal. im sure they have a team of crooked lawyers to handle that kind of thing.
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Reply:24 days 22 hours 21 minutes ago
Member: Danno
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Man, that's messed up. I'm sorry to hear that :(
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Reply:24 days 22 hours 4 minutes ago
Member: Richey
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That's the way corporations are now. The employees are treated with 0 respect. In there eyes, everyone is going to go postal. I have seen people who have worked here for 30+ years get the ax and knew nothing about it until they got to the "emergency meeting". Then they get a security guard to escort them out. 30+ years and you have to be escorted out...in front of everyone.
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Reply:24 days 21 hours 57 minutes ago
Member: dcunning30
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I'm sorry to hear that. But I fail to see the connection with your wife's misfortune and Bush. The fact is, in spite of all the hysteria of recession and economic woes, and even in spite of the housing crisis, exasperated by the sub-prime issues, and even the fuel issues, the economy has weathered all that. That's a testament to the strength of the economy if anything. It took some serious hits back to back, and we STILL have not entered recession. A recession is defined by two successive quarters of negative growth. In spite of opposition politicians pronouncements and media discussions, we have not had that occur. Anyone who is saying otherwise either doesn't know what they are talking about or they're lying, or both. And don't get scared by these same talking heads bandying about the term stag-flation. We haven't had such a condition since Jimmy Carter was president, and we're not going to enter that now. In fact, oil prices are going down and the dollar is even becoming stronger.

BTW, I understand what it's like to be layed off. I was layed off twice in 2 years during the dot.com mess. I didn't blame that on Clinton, I just understood what the facts were. There was too much speculation and recklessness in the market, and a correction was long overdue. The subprime crisis is a similar matter. Consider what's occurring now as a correction, ....a return to responsibility and sanity.
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Reply:24 days 21 hours 45 minutes ago
Member: Fred Kraus
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I've seen the same thing. The employee means nothing these days. They are nothing more than a copper top to the business they work for. I believe that's one of the things that's causing America to slide the way it has. How can a person take out a thirty year mortgage on a home, when they aren't even sure they'll be employed in two years. People can't even take pride in what they do, or where they work, (and they used to), because the company you work for will turn on you like a snake. I don't believe this is totally Bush's fault, though I don't believe he's helped things either. This crap has been going on for quite some time now. And I really get tired of people who have this, "if you can't compete in this global marketplace, too bad. Suck it up", mentality. I believe it's been very detrimental to this country. I feel for you Johnny, I really do. I hope your wife finds a better job and is happier there.
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Reply:24 days 21 hours 40 minutes ago
Member: Danno
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It amazes me that employers have the audacity to ask you to stay and train your own replacement.
Hell, most places will have you train someone and thEn fire you once they're trained...

Something just occured to me...If her position was terminated, why would they need a replacement trained???
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Reply:24 days 21 hours 36 minutes ago
Member: Fred Kraus
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Probably so they could pay them less.
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Reply:24 days 21 hours 15 minutes ago
Member: dcunning30
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I've heard those kinds of stories before. Unfortunately, there's bad employers just as well as they're good employers. We tend to hear about the bad employers, but I believe there are far more good employers than bad. It's expensive to be a bad employer. For a number of factors, bad employers tend to end up loosing money due to morale issues, lawsuits, etc. The only place bad employers (bosses) can exist with impunity tend to be government workplaces.
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Reply:24 days 21 hours 19 minutes ago
Member: dcunning30
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Johnny, if they in-fact displayed bad faith and held a meeting without properly announcing the meeting, then your wife may have a recourse that's worth exploring. I would learn exactly what they did to announce the public meeting and the circumstances surrounding the layoffs. If the circumstances appear questionable, take it to your local council member, the media, and a good lawyer. If there's something to it, the lawyer will likely take the case for payment upon winning.
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Reply:24 days 20 hours 50 minutes ago
Member: Johnny
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yeah, thats all well and good, but its hard to do all that if you dont have a job. everything requires money.

and by the way, i never said that it was ALL bush's fault, but if you think he hasnt contributed to the problem you are kidding yourself. i know there is more to the story and blah, blah, blah, but if things were going great, you can bet your ass that he would be willing to take the credit. i dont see why we cant place a little blame on him as well.
i mean come on, we are talking about the same guy who wanted to turn over the control of our major seaports to the arabs. now i'm not trying to attack anybody for their comments, but i find it hard to see how anybody could defend him right now.
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Reply:24 days 18 hours 14 minutes ago
Member: dcunning30
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Oh it's easy! I just use facts! Regarding the Dubai Port deal, a company owned by a UAE interest wanted to contract to manage the port operations. It was a business transaction. The fact of the matter is most of our port operations are handled by foreign interests anyway. So what's different with this one? Maybe because the folks in the UAE are arabs? The opposition to this was blatantly based on the notion that arabs - in general - are untrustworthy. It was blatantly racist and insulting. But that was our congress at work, hypocrites, if you ask me!

So, on one hand these hypocrites stop a business transactions between the US and a friendly country who happen to be arabs, and on the other hand, they want to give constitutional rights and advocate for people who have been picked up on the battlefield trying to kill Americans. They're not only hypocrites, but they're confused hypocrites, verging on becoming quislings!

...sorry for the rant.
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Reply:24 days 17 hours 48 minutes ago
Member: Johnny
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so you think that it was racist and insulting to oppose having the arabs take control of our seaports?? wow.

yet another example of how politicall correctness has cost this country dearly. i'm glad it didnt get enough support to pass.

if a man was threatening to invade your home and murder your family, would you give his brother a key to your front door ?

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Reply:24 days 17 hours 35 minutes ago
Member: dcunning30
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Since when have the folks over at the UAE threatened to do anything to us? Please don't confuse jihadis and islamic terrorists with all arabs. That's painting with a broad brush that smacks as racism. BTW, I used to work with an Egyptian. He's definately arab, and he's also a Coptic Christian. Jihad is definately not on his mind. Be careful with that brush.

I'm definately NOT PC, but I try my best to stick to the facts when I draw my conclusions.
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Reply:24 days 17 hours 26 minutes ago
Member: Johnny
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i didnt say that UAE specifically has threatened us.

all these "facts" that you keep mentioning are not enough to convince me that i should override my common sense.
ever heard the old saying: "you dont let a fox guard the hen house" ?

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Reply:24 days 15 hours 41 minutes ago
Member: dcunning30
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I understand that. But here's a perfect example. I'm black and I've had racism directed toward me from some white individuals. Now, as a result of those experiences, do I distrust ALL white people?

The answer is obvious. So just because just about all the islamic terrorists are arab, do we distrust ALL arabs? That answer is obvious as well.
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