We should ban highways and impose a speed limit of 10mph on ALL suburban/rural roads. The bug genocide must stop. Vote for clean windshields now!

Come on man flies have feelings too.

Peta, Greenpeace... Two major sources of misinformation that is doing more harm than good to the ecological movement and gives activists a bad name.

That's my problem with hotshot ecological activists. Trying to get attention they go to greater lengths everytime, until eventually they lose perspective and any touch with reality. And when that happens, and it always does once these organisations manage to get into the spotlight a few times, they become a liability to the ecological movement. Because in the end they achieve the opposite of what they set out to do. Instead of drawing people to the cause they manage to get people to write them off as clowns and in that they take down with them the entire movement.

I think these PETA/Eco-Freaks should be made fun of at every opportunity!

I live a few miles from the PETA headquarters. Once a year a local radio station sponsers a fishing tourniment that starts at the pier PETA sits at. It's great fun! Those people are such laughing stocks.

I wonder if the good folks from PETA were suddenly placed in a war zone, or if there were mass starvation around them, or have to live through a severe economic depression, they would still be pulling this crap. I don't think so. These are nothing but spoiled college kids with way too much time on their hands. I have a feeling that once these plate heads take on some responsibility and a full time job, this nonsense is over. And by the way, exactly what do these tree huggers eat? I mean, if they're vegans but they cry over the death of a tree, what about the killing of millions of plants come harvest time? Do they go to harvested corn fields and mourn the loss of all the innocent corn that they probably helped to eat? Oh well, this video always cheers me up.....

(No guitars were actually harmed during the making of this video)

well good thing PETA didn't know who I was as a kid...I mean, all the flies I'd pulled the wings off of and then set free, the ants that had the misfortune of coming under the glare of my magnifying glass... the bees and hornets and wasps I used to trap in jars.

of course, I guess I haven't really learned the error of my ways...the 2 ant hills in my back yard that get run over every time I mow the lawn, the cans of Raid I'll be dumping on the afore mentioned ant hills, the mosquitoes I squash when they try to make a meal out of my blood (damn things are getting big too, soon they'll just pull up in a pickup truck and toss me in the back with a barrel of bar-b-que sauce).

why can't they go after some real animal abusers like those guys who make a living catching bugs and then stabbing them with pins and then attaching them to a board to put on display in museums and stuff. :)

then there was Pamela Anderson...I'd consider giving up KFC for her...then I'd realize she'd never go out with someone like me ( not enough tatoos and std's) and I'd go order a bucket of chicken. :)

That's a good point, tds. Who here would fake being a vegan in order to score a hot piece of ass?

I love animals...they taste great!

My Harley is a bug killin' mochine. I think I picked a piece of PETA outta my teeth after the ride in...

PETA are a wonderful bunch of lunatics.

I remember reading about the animal activists here releasing a load of lab animals in to the wild after breaking in. As they had been born and raised in the laboratory they had no sense of self preservation, or knowledge of hunting etc for themselves, most of them were road kill from day one.

Great thinking eh?

Besides, if it has four legs and isn't a bench eat it. Especially if it reasonably slow enough to catch. Man is around the middle of the food chain, and I fancy those odds, if I avoid the sea's and oceans, dense forest and open plain's then my chances of survival go up even further. Stick to the city and even then avoid the odd salty croc that decides your swimming pool looks like fun. Again, your chances improve. Even shopping in the aisle's of Tesco can be a dangerous place for hunting, as I have heard tales of Black Widows in the bananas, dead mice in the canned goods etc, ad some of the people that shop in there would eat you if you stood still long enough.

I don't see PETA out protesting when a shark gives someone a nibble and they go out hunting it, they could give it a hug and take it to group therapy. But man shouldn't be in the sea, if we were meant to we would have gills. So anyone who does venture in does so at their own risk.

On a final note, save the animals, kill a member of PETA.

I thank you.

If animals wanted rights, they would do something about it on their own. Besides, they are delicious.

Um...I think he was kidding, ibz.

I'll be cooking some Bambi-burgers on the grill over the weekend.

I'm so tired of everyone talking about animal rights. They want everyone to become vegetarians. What about the rights of plants??? Are we just supposed to ignore the plight of the lettuce and tomato? The agony of a potato being brutally dug out of the ground and mutilated, skinned and the cooked?

Just because rutabagas aren't all cute and cuddly should they just be slaughtered? We plant corn in these confined, over crowded conditions, then at harvest, we take the corns little helpless unborn babies and eat them. After the baby corn is taken, we slaughter the plants and plow them under without another thought.

Are plants not alive just as a cow is? Just because they can't scream or fight back do they not deserve the same rights as other living things? This is a dark stain on our species. A poor plant, rooted to the ground, unable to run or fight back gets thoughtlessly cut down in the prime of it's life and nobody says anything!!!!!! This is a travesty!!!!

I know I've said this before, but someone has to stand up for plant rights. One voice, alone in the darkness may be all it takes to make a change!

"I know I've said this before, but someone has to stand up for plant rights. One voice, alone in the darkness may be all it takes to make a change!"

I'm with ya' bud!! Let's go out there and kick common sense right in the nuts!..lol

Isn't amazing how these left-wing nutjobs are all about some animal rights and saving the trees and no capital punishment but an unborn fetus has no rights whatsoever according to them even if it is just because it is an inconvenience to the mother? I wonder what they would think about destroying fly eggs or aborting a sheeps baby.

Not trying to start a war here, I'm just sayin'.

Oh deary me....

Ok Richey, by that account then we should take every woman of pubescent age up to menopausal age, every male teen and.......well actually all men below 70, and round them up and do nasty things to them.

Because if your belief is an unborn foetus has rights then all of the above are murderers and should be dealt with accordingly, I say we tie them to tree's cover them in honey and release the bears. Would you like to know why?

If we went on your theory then every ovulation and every ejaculation also have rights, they are living organisms from day one. All the nut-job anti-abortionist's say it is only at the point of conception. Oh is it? So they have the right to determine when and where life should be life? If that is the case then they are guilty too for denial of existence of life means it is dead to them, does life begin with their say-so on when it happens? Wow, thats like something maybe some other guy was meant to have thought up, I dunno his name, God or something I think. Are the anti-abortion movement God's? I know most of them claim to follow him but to act in such a manner would be blasphemy right?

So lets round up the above people for jerking off and having a period, because on that theory they are cold blooded killers then. Jeez, that makes me a serial killer as I jack off a lot!!!

If we are going to promote views lets make sure they make sense. As clearly the foetus having rights argument collapses in on itself.

I'm off to kill another 20 million sperm, I'm like Pol Pot, Hitler and Stalin all rolled into one........

Back to the music for me I can feel the flames of this one already........

Conception....when sperm and ovaries are separate, as in ejaculation, and ovulation, they do not conceive, therefore no fetus. Whose argument collapses now ?

No, my argument is that when fertilization occurs, new life begins.
I haven't said one word about anything being dead.

Father, are you seriously trying to draw comparisons between the life of a human baby and the life of bacteria, a sperm, or any other single-celled organism? You have a kid. You know better than that.

Yes I am, what makes me or you or anyone better than any other form of life on this planet? It would be rather presumptuous and ignorant to assume that human life is so much better than any other form. That's my point initially. Who are we to make these choices? Just another life form, and in all honesty one of the worst.


And Chester, seriously dude, your going to have to come up with something that actually holds weight. Fertilization is clearly not the start of life, it is merely a process that occurs in the perpetual continuation of it. Therefore I assumed that as you see this process as the start of life, then you are drawing the conclusion that anything before that is not life. That is basically what you have said in your two statements?

Watch the video and see the logic, not what you believe to be the case. Science is far from perfect, and human nature is stuck in the belief that it knows so much, when in reality it knows very little.


On that note say what you will, I've made a clear point and as of yet I have heard nothing of any real sense to say that my point is invalid.

I respect your right to see things as you wish, I was merely pointing out the alternative which I find to be a more reasoned case against the anti-abortion moral crusaders that are plaguing the planet.

And on that note I will bow out.

"Better" is a relative term. But I think that saying that bacteria is just as important to you as a human baby means that a light must have been turned off in your soul as some point. One of the worst life forms? In comparison to what? What makes us the worst? Because we use up resources? What do you think would happen to the deer if they weren't hunted every year? They would use up their resources and starve. Now if those same deer developed some sort of evolutionary adaptation that would allow them to not starve, don't you think they would take advantage of it and therefore use up more resources?
If you believe that a sperm and an egg are their own organism then you must surely believe that we are not individuals but rather a colony of one-celled animals all living and working together to survive.
I'll tell you why they are not their own organism: they, as a species (if they were one), do not each and they do not reporduce. Their purpose is ont perpetuation their own species but that of another. All living things have sperm and eggs. Even plants. Inside every speck of pollen is a sperm.
This is no different that saying an eyeball is an organism...or a lung...or a finger.
There is controvery about when life begins. I can't tell you when it does and neither can you. But since you can't tell me when it begins in a fetus, you can't tell me that a fetus is not alive at conception. If you know it is not alive at conception that you would know when it is. If there are certain conditions that must be met to declare that a fetus is alive and if those conditions are absent at conception, then tell me when those conditions are met so that we may draw a clear line and say after those conditions are met, then abortion becomes murder. Can you do that? And don't say it is at birth because there is very little differect anatomically in a baby that is born and a baby that will be born in 5 minutes.

I wonder what they would have thought last week when I discovered a spider's nest had hatched on my back door and the glass was covered with baby spiders...until I got out the can of RAID :P

I bet PETA hates the people that make RAID. I generally discourage the killing of bugs around my house unless they are dangerous and pose a threat to us. My wife, however, does not feel the same way as me. I'm more of a catch and release kind of guy. But if I do that and they come back, they're dead.

I just shot a rat in my back yard before I came to work. PETA can come claim the body if they wish.

for the record insects can't feel pain....they don't have the proper receptors to experience it. they are literally like little robots operating completely on instinct. they can't experience sensations like pain fear joy etc. so yes even if you support PETA this is ridiculous that they would make a big deal out of it.

If it crawls, slithers, flys or walks and isn't paying rent it is taking it's life in it's own hands by coming into my yard or home.

If I can kill it, it's dead. If I can't kill it, it won't be from lack of effort. This can also include humans depending on their behavior.

I tried not to jump into the abortion argument but I couldn't resist.

Father Dougal's flawed logic needed to be clarified.

Yes sperm and eggs are living tissue. They, by themselves, are not however human. It is human life that gets snuffed out in abortion.

I know it's hard to find yourself on the side of killing innocent babies, but that is no reason to cloud the issue with incorrect statements as to what is organic tissue and what is an actual human baby. There is a difference.

I think PETA is all out of whack........seriously

Don't eat animals there equals there living animals and contribute to our ecomnomy yes thats true i've always been a fan of Tyson's tasty chicken fingers thats the good im looking for in the economy.

And on top of the "support the ecosystem" bull they spew forth there being amazingly hippocritical. Please dont harm the trees please they feel just like you do and there important and the whole time there chewing on lettuce from a freakin salad seriously? Thats like me being muslim and lecturing somebody about eating cows and stopping mid way to offer a mouth watering piece of beef jerky im knawing on thats just so wrong and it makes me sick that there trying to control the world with "non-violence" because seriously how would we look being run by a bunch of salad munching tree huggers?

much of it thanks to environmental regulation? not at all...that's because the companies are run by disgustingly greedy men who would rather outsource a job then pay an American worker proper wages. it has nothing whatsoever to do with environmental regulations...haha that sounds like some bill o'rielly or rush would say. don't get me wrong im not entirely supporting the "environmentalist movement" being organizations like PETA are ridiculous but having a clean place to live should be a pretty important issues for everyone i would think....and as far as the engine buried under all the antipollution shit.....what? lets all buy big ol' pick 'em up trucks instead right? i'll give smart cars are a bit much but im not a huge fan of breathing in car emissions or having gas guzzling vehicles good sir.

and richey you said "Your description fits only few. My description fits millions." and that couldn't be further from the truth....do you know how many grossly uneducated overly conservative right wing ignorant people there are? like a good 1/4 of this country at least. WAY more then "left wing nutjobs" that would care about aborting sheep fetus's.

Uneducated, overly-conservative, right wing ignorant people is not what you were talking about. You were talking about "right wing domestic terrorists that gun down an abortion doctor in church and the disgusting morons that show up to protest abortion at his funeral."

But since you brought it up:
Do you realize how many uneducated, overly-liberal, left wing ignorant people there are? Look and the welfare rolls. How many of those people are uneducated, overly-liberal (I would think that the percentage of those that vote liberal is close to 100%), left-wing (obviously support a socialist state through their participation in a socialist program...I mean who wants to vote out the hand that feeds them?), and ignorant (most of thiem have no idea about the issues, they just want that check very month)?
Let me say that I think welfare has its place and can help a lot of people who are in a bad spot, of course, there are those that abuse it. I don't think it should be eradicated but let's call it what it is: a socialist policy that takes from the haves and gives to the have-nots and is a way (among many) for liberals, who also support other issues unrelated to welfare (or whatever other socialist policies) to buy votes, therefore furthering their own agenda.

yes. yes it was...when i was made the statement "the disgusting morons that show up to protest abortion at his funeral." those would be your run of the mill moron conservatives. and i would think the number of uneducated left wingers would be just about the same percentage as those people that still believe in creationism and/or supported palin or dubbaya...who's administration will as a fact go down as the worst and most openly corrupt administration in history....and of course every administration has some level of corruption involved but that entire 8 years was a legendary fuck you to the American people. but i digress, im not going to get in an argument about left and right wing bullshit here....it won't ever end.and it'll just get nasty although i don't understand why it almost sounds like you are defending the actions of those ignorant conservatives and their reactions to that man being gunned down which is alittle more disgusting then people milking the welfare system not that that isn't wrong too and i will say that the conservative attitude which is to be set in your ways and avoid change is actually counterproductive to the evolution of human intelligence. that is all.

I've been watching this for a while . . . and all i can say is that is can be described by my word of the day - - - DOGMA

"yes. yes it was."
No. No it wasn't. In the first post you referred to "right wing domestic terrorists that gun down an abortion doctor in church and the disgusting morons that show up to protest abortion at his funeral." In the second post you referred to "grossly uneducated overly conservative right wing ignorant people." While the former may be contained in the latter, just because you belong to the latter, does not mean you belong to the former.

"when i was made the statement "the disgusting morons that show up to protest abortion at his funeral." those would be your run of the mill moron conservatives."
I just want to make sure you mean run of the mill moron conservatives (which I would agree with) and not run of the mill conservatives (which is preposterous).

"and i would think the number of uneducated left wingers would be just about the same percentage as those people that still believe in creationism and/or supported palin or dubbaya"
This doesn't make much sense because I don't know how you can possibly draw a correlation between the two groups (uneducated left wingers and those that believe in creationism and/or supported palin or dubbaya). I don't know what what the amount of one has to do with the other. They seem completely unrelated to me. I ccould see more of a relationship between the people that still believe in creationism and those that support palin or dubbaya that the comparison you have drawn. Mostly because of the hijacking of the Republican party by the religious right. I believe the are called neo-Republicans who didn't really surface until the '80s. Before then all your Bible-thumping, God-fearing, and often times segregationsists, were in the Democratic party.
You speak of creationists as if you intend it to be an insult. I thought you lefties were supposed to be all about tolerance. What's this? A lefty who finds and alternate point of view from their own intolerable and a sign of lack of education and ignorance? My goodness, I don't think that is what the little red book is supposted to say.

"who's administration will as a fact go down as the worst and most openly corrupt administration in history...."
Creationsists say that it is a fact that God made the universe in 7 days, does that make it true? Facts are provided with proof and methodological study. And no...someone else's opinion (including those of the anchors on MSNBC) does not make another opinion fact.
Besides your kinda selling Ulysses S. Grant a little short. Hey but on the upside for you...he was a Republican so blast away.

"im not going to get in an argument about left and right wing bullshit here"
You already have.

"it almost sounds like you are defending the actions of those ignorant conservatives and their reactions to that man being gunned down "
Come on, seriously? I challenge you do show me where I defended their actions. You can't do it.

"i will say that the conservative attitude which is to be set in your ways and avoid change is actually counterproductive to the evolution of human intelligence."
Really? What if the change was that we should round up everyone we don't like and kill them? That's change...would opposing that be counterproductive to the evolution of human intelligence? What if the change was that we should select a leader from among us and appoint him as a god-king and ruler of all. That's right, do away with the constitution and the social contract we have and everything and just go totally to fascism. That's change...would opposing that be counterproductive to the evolution of human intelligence? The point is that not everything which bears the label as "change" is a good thing.

I am guess, Mr. rough and ready that you have simply dunk the Kool Aid and have completely lost any ability to think for yourself from a political standpoint. But it's okay...I care...and am willing to help you however I can.

For example, you are obviously liberal and you thought that just because I oppose your very liberal opinions, that automatically makes me a conservative (sort of like W's "if you are not with us, you're against us", don't you think?) Not true. I am actually a moderate...maybe one tick to the right in the current political environment...but a moderate none the less. Also remember, measures of what is conservative and what is liberal are very fluid and change with the times so my political label for myself could be different in 10 years. It doesn't necessarily mean I will change but rather the political paradigm may change.

I'm just curious, was Hitler a Socialist?

More a genocidal fuck-wit.

I thought perhaps, technically speaking, Fascism was a very radical and extreme form of Socialism, not to be mixed up with ordinary Socialism. Sort of a..do what we say or we'll kill you for the common good of all...sort of thing. One could argue that the KKK is a religious group, but a very warped sense of religion, not to be confused with other religious groups.

Actually, the differences between fascism and socialism aren't all that difference in the final outcome. Fascists usually allow private ownership of industry but control it where as socialism simply siezes and eliminates private industry. Both kill freedom. In the end, for the average person there is little difference between the 2.