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Original message:71 days 4 hours 53 minutes ago
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i am a gun owner, and i have very strong opinions about gun laws. im curious about how everyone here feels about it. it really pisses me of when these dickhead politicians talk about how we can avoid crime by passing laws to restrict gun owners. some want to do away with concealed handgun permits, some want to stop selling handguns completely, some would even like to see a ban on all guns. it is beyond comprehension for me to understand how we are going to reduce crime by taking guns out of the hands of decent, law abiding citizens. drug dealers and gang members dont have concealed weapon permits. the crack head down the street didnt buy his gun at the sporting goods store, he got it from some other crack head.

some guy on tv was talking about mandatory trigger locks. now if somebody breaks into my house in the middle of the night and my safety is in jeopardy, i dont think im gonna have time to say " excuse me just a minute while i remove my trigger lock " hahaha

there have been more and more shootings in the news. shouldnt that make you think about what you would do if your life were in danger?

you could intentionally drive into a crowd and kill a bunch of people with your car if you wanted to, but does that mean we should ban automobiles?

go to youtube.com and watch the video from " texas monthly talks " where ted nugent is talking with evan smith about the 2nd amendment. you cant deny that he is right.
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Reply:71 days 4 hours 9 minutes ago
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thats not me in my avatar pic. LOL i didnt think about that when i started this topic.
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Reply:71 days 1 hours 21 minutes ago
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i don't own any guns (because my mom won't let me) but I'm with you
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Reply:71 days 56 minutes ago
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Gun control means having good aim.
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Reply:70 days 7 hours 55 minutes ago
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hit the nail on the head :P
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Reply:71 days 43 minutes ago
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I've gotta agree with you Johnny. The government will NOT take away my right to own firearms. CHL's require background checks, so does buying a gun. Gun control shouldn't get ANY stricter.
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Reply:71 days 27 minutes ago
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the nuge is a redneck.
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Reply:70 days 23 hours 24 minutes ago
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while i am not familiar with any recents attempts to ban guns, i am of the understanding that the majority of legislation about gun control is limiting the use of more powerful weapons like the UZI, the AK47 and other related high powered assault rifles and certain hand guns. now i don't believe ted nugent uses an AK to go hunting with as that would be overkill. which is the point of some of this legislation...overkill....now certainly the gov. has tried to limit some guns that probably should NOT be limited and others that should be limited. and of course the krux of the arguement is HOW MUCH limitation there should or shouldn't be. so while i don't necessarily agree with some gun control laws, there are some limitations that i think should be in place. i personally can't say i would ever have any use for an AK47 ro a LAAS rocket loauncher for standard house protection. and i certainly don't think i like the idea of "stupid people" having access to them either. and i seriously doubt the founding father pictured this either.....
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Reply:70 days 22 hours 59 minutes ago
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Agreed...there is a limit to the weapons required to simply hunt. For personal defence, unless the attacker is wearing body armor and shooting from more than 50 meters away, a small-caliber pistol is more than enough. A .22 pistol can kill someone just as easily as a 20mm cannon at that range.
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Reply:70 days 23 hours 5 minutes ago
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I have *very* strong opinions about this topic.

1) I serve in the U.S. Army, and therefore not only have the right but the duty to bear arms. As a soldier, we are required to raise our right hand and swear that we will uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic. The Constitution guarantees our right to bear arms, and according to the oath I have sworn, I will fight to the end to make sure that people continue to have that right.

2) Our country lives by checks and balances. The founding fathers built this into our system, and they also realized that the ultimate check to an oppressive government was an armed populace. A government cannot rule by fear when the government itself is afraid of its own citizens.

3) The fact that many people in the United States *do* own firearms and regularly use them is a large part of why our armed forces are so good at what they do.

I do however also agree that there should be certain checks on the firearms themselves. Serial numbers and rifling mark databases have made it infinitely easier to solve crimes involving firearms. Proper education on their safe use decreases accidents.

People argue that guns kill. This is true...that is the whole purpose behind a firearm. To kill. However, knives, bows and arrows, spears, sharp sticks, rocks, and any handy object lying around can kill just as easily. It is the person pulling the trigger that actually kills, just like it's the person throwing the spear or wielding the club.

Taking away peoples' firearms will result in a situation much like prohibition in the 1920's and 30's: Make a commodity scarce and illegal, and it becomes far more desirable. Criminals will have just as much access to it, and if they are the only ones with access, it will be that much more dangerous.
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Reply:70 days 13 hours 28 minutes ago
Member: Hippieway
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Tricky argument here that will go on for years. Yes it is our right to have guns, those who hunt can have guns, those in fear can have guns, those whose macho image of themselves requires they have guns can have guns, those in bars can have guns, those that want to kill themselves can have guns, those who find it a great hobby can have guns, etc etc.
I personally only have two things to say about guns If your intent with a gun is murder/suicide do the suicide first.
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Reply:70 days 13 hours 21 minutes ago
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Living in Colorado is kind of like living in the old west. I don't go into the mountains unarmed. As many people as have been dragged off by mountain lions, or trampled to death by a bull elk, or a cow with a calf, (still talking elk here, not moo cows,) aside from the tweaky folks who live deep in the middle of nowhere, it just feels better to know that you have a better chance, should something happen, to take care of yourself. Concealed permits are WAY too easy to get here and we have one of the country's oldest make my day laws. (The police have asked people to just make it easy on them. If you shoot someone at your front door and he falls outside, please drag him back inside as it means a LOT less paperwork!) Since you don't really know who's carrying here, the stats on personal crime, not related to gangs, druggies and such, has dropped dramtically. Only took a few people getting shot during a robbery for that crap to diminish rapidly. Of course, we did have Columbine, but that's less due to guns than to crazy people and in my view, as long as there's crazy people out there, we should have the choice to carry a gun for protection.
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Reply:70 days 11 hours 32 minutes ago
Member: dcunning30
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Amen!

BTW, the Law Enforcement Alliance of America are of the opinion that right to carry works, and they have the statistics to prove it.

http://www.leaa.org/righttocarry.html
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Reply:69 days 22 hours 38 minutes ago
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Agreed. Crazy people were killing innocent people long before guns were invented. I somehow get the impression the murder rate wasn't any lower in 1200 BC than it is today.
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Reply:70 days 11 hours 43 minutes ago
Member: dcunning30
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The whole attack on "assault guns" was born out of fear and a lack of understanding. The problem with the AK47's and AR15's is they look scary. They are semi-auto, just like most hunting rifles. And if you're afraid of high power guns, then you should be more scared of a hunting rifle designed to drop a 1,200 lb elk than an AK47 designed to take down a 200 lb man.
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