True, but believing that something isn't true doesn't mean that it isn't.

I'm not so much afraid of flames and fire and all that. I'm thinking the difference between the two is not that one is all rivers of honey and white clouds, and the other is the inside of a volcano. In my mind, one is simply a continued existence in the presence of God, and the other is an eternal death...eternal separation from God...that "dirt nap with nothing after" that you mentioned.

Who knows? I guess we'll all find out when we get there.

When I die, I don't want to be buried or creamated, I am going to walk into the woods and die. We all live in boxes now. I don't want to be buried in one. The reason all of those people were being burned was because Christians were sacrificing them in the old days, so I can understand where your brother is coming from. Hell a lot of people don't know where the St. Nicolas legend comes from. That "St. Nick" went around during the Passover, in a white robe and black boots and would kill whole families who didn't put the blood of the lamb across their door. How about that one to get your blood stirred? I think that the overall idea of Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, Vrishnu, Hare Christena, or any of the other millions of gods that have been thought up are a good concept. People feel as though they have something to look forward to. But all in all, in my opinion, they are saying the same things, "Do unto others as you would have done to yourself." Even in science. "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." I think that people have been so used to being separated from each other for so long, that they have forgotten that we were all once a part of an encompassing whole of the world that we have all forgotten. We have also gotten away from the evoltionary cycle. Hunting is now going and building. How do we know that we have not stunted the growth of the animals around us into what they are now, our pets that are put in a cage, as we are, to be eaten by us? Has anyone felt like they were meant for more than what they have become in life? I know I have. It's all circling the drain. We'll find out soon enough what the evolved human is made of here shortly.

Dude, many years ago, a co-worker of mine turned me on to some classical Indian music. I loved it. Can you turn me on to some artists to listen to?

KORN

Science cannot at this point, prove or disprove life after death. And any honest scientist admits they are still in the process of discovery. We have not yet amassed all the knowledge there is to obtain, so to conclude there is no life after death is being premature and presumptious. Nobody have ever proven there is no life after death. And on the flip side, there is no conclusive proof there is life after death. We just don't know based on scientific discovery. So it requires just as much faith to be an athiest as there is faith to be a theist. I choose to place my faith in the hope that there is life after death.

dcunning,

In a case such as this, asking to prove the negative (there is no life after death) is absurd. I have read some of your other posts. I can tell you know the rules of arguing. Since there is no prima facie evidence of life after death, the proponent must prove that it is there.