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Original message:325 days 11 hours 51 minutes ago

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should led zeppelin be considered heavy metal?

yes

maybe

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Reply:325 days 11 hours 42 minutes ago
Member: NegativeGhostRider

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Is there a "don't really care" option? I listen to them and couldn't care less what everyone else thinks they are.

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Reply:325 days 11 hours 40 minutes ago
Member: TexasStyle

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Well let's see, Led Zeppelin heavy metal, I say no and for this reason. They came from an era that was considered to be psychedelic, your acid, LSD, shrooms you know trippy hippy They did have a very heavy sound for that time but then again so did Deep Purple, Uriah Heep, Frank Zappa and the likes. Jimmy Page is considered to be one of the best that has every strapped on a guitar and for good reason, no one has ever duplicated his sound. John Paul Jones has to be one of the best bass players ever but he has always lived behind Page and Plant. Hope this good enough.

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Reply:325 days 11 hours 27 minutes ago
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"Jimmy Page is considered to be one of the best that has every strapped on a guitar and for good reason, no one has ever duplicated his sound."

Except plenty of guitarists have duplicated his sound. And he wasn't *that* great...in fact, a lot of his technique is extremely sloppy, and his guitar tone on some of his solos is like an icepick to the eardrums.

*BUT* the man was a hard rock pioneer and was very good at picking the right notes to flesh out a song.

Just a personal opinion on this one...but I'd have to disagree that he was even close to "one of the best".

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Reply:325 days 11 hours 32 minutes ago
Member: pickabass

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I say yes, just to confuse people!

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Reply:325 days 11 hours 16 minutes ago
Member: TexasStyle

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Ghostrider if you take a look at the post I stated that he is considered one of the best not that I considered him one of the best. Name one player that has duplicated his sound and the way he played. Yes he may have been sloppy and you are right that his tone was a bit harsh but you need to go back to that time and look at the equipment and technology that was to be had back then. You are intitled to your own opinion but don't bash others for theirs.

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Reply:325 days 10 hours 42 minutes ago
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I did take a good look at your post.

First, you *did* say that you consider him the best, by default:
"Jimmy Page is considered to be one of the best that has every strapped on a guitar and for good reason"

That "for good reason" part indicates that you agree with the logic behind why people consider him the best, ergo you also consider him one of the best.

Players that duplicate his tone? Joe Bonamossa. Slash. Chris Robinson. Not all of the time, but there are examples of each. That's just 3, but I believe I made my point clear. That's not counting the *hundreds* of kids who emulate his tone in jams, online vids, contests, and just playing around in guitar center.

"You are intitled to your own opinion but don't bash others for theirs."

Now, you need to go back and take a look at my post. *NOWHERE* did I bash anyone for their opinion. I was DiSAGREEING. BASHING would have been something like:

"Are you an idiot? Page sucks and you suck. Go to hell."

I challenge you to find an example anywhere of me outright bashing someone's opinion. Good luck.

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Reply:325 days 9 hours 38 minutes ago
Member: pickabass

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I don't think technology/equipment has anything to do with it. One of the standard dream setups for rock is still a vintage Les Paul + Vintage Marshall. The same amps and guitars he used are still very sought after for recording purposes, and can sound very very non-harsh and icepickish.

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Reply:325 days 10 hours 55 minutes ago
Member: bachmirage

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well before this turns into another "my guy is better than your guy because" thread, let's try to set a parameter here. to say who is one of the greatest guitiarists ever needs some definite criteria to be established....such as...songwriting abilities,chops, stage prescence,duration of popularity, number of hit songs,etc. does jimmy page fall into those criteria? i would have to say yes. there are many who meet only some of those points. but jimmy hits on just about every one will equal ability.

as for the heavy metal moniker.....the term is certainly used quite often to describe all heavy rock bands from purple to def leppard. it's just easier for writers in general to use that term in it's most general state. to be somehow offended by it really is kind of silly. of course hard core music listeners can and will discern between the two. L. zep being hard rock and sabbath being heavy metal. really not much need for discussion on it.

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Reply:325 days 10 hours 19 minutes ago
Member: G_Barber

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I've heard it said in some documentary or other that "Communication Breakdown" was one of the first "heavy metal" songs. Maybe, maybe not. I don't really like Zeppelin anyway, I'm just sayin...

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Reply:325 days 10 hours 2 minutes ago
Member: TexasStyle

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Need to go back and take a look at rock history dude, the people that listen have labled him to be one of the best not me and that is for good reason HISTORY. Laters

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Reply:325 days 8 hours 18 minutes ago
Member: NegativeGhostRider

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"Need to go back and take a look at rock history dude"

Really? And what "rock history" textbook are you quoting this from? And who exactly says this?

I never questioned that he was innovative and ahead of his time. I just question the fact that he should be considered a monument of tone and technique.

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Reply:325 days 8 hours 16 minutes ago
Member: G_Barber

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There's a rock history textbook? What kind of candy ass shit is that? :P

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Reply:325 days 9 hours 57 minutes ago
Member: zeppelin is god!

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i guess i sort of see how communication breakdown or good times bad times could be considered heavy metal at that time but today noway and the only time page sounds really sloppy is live slowhand sounds excellent live but page just doesnt do it i think its because he didnt have a rhythm player take rock 'n roll for example that sounded horrible live because he couldnt do rhythm and lead at the same time

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Reply:325 days 7 hours 38 minutes ago
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THIS is the greatest Heavy Metal/Hard Rock band of all time! Deathtöngue!!!!

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Reply:325 days 7 hours 35 minutes ago
Member: G_Barber

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Dude, Bill the Cat was awesome in that! Or Opus on the electric Tuba...pure genius.

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Reply:325 days 7 hours 34 minutes ago
Member: pickabass

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Oh.

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Reply:325 days 7 hours 27 minutes ago
Member: Fred Kraus

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(tear streaming down), Best damn band I ever saw!!!!!!!

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Reply:325 days 5 hours 37 minutes ago
Member: siddp

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It's simple really...

Led Zep don't want to be called a heavy metal band
(not that I blame them)

they envisage themselves a blue rock band.
A band plays what they think they play....

No need to go deeper than that...

As for Page's technique
I thought it was impeccable till I saw the 1983 arms concert
the 2 minutes Clapton and Jeff Beck play make more sense than the rest of the rendition,played entirely by page

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Reply:325 days 4 hours 29 minutes ago
Member: Fred Kraus

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Here's more of his fretboard mastery.....

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Reply:325 days 2 hours 17 minutes ago
Member: ibzRG

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Blues, Rock'n'Roll, Rock, Hard Rock, Heavy Metal, everything has been used to describe them according to the trends at any given time.
I don't really care. It is human nature to file everything under simple labels in order to efficiently archive and handle information in our brains, but nothing is so simple and the abstraction level of the labels takes away a lot of the truth. Stop trying to cram bands as versatile as Zep into narrow genres!

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Reply:324 days 20 hours 48 minutes ago
Member: Fred Kraus

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I'm not trying to categorize anything. I'm just talking about Page's fumble-fingered attempt at soloing at this point.

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Reply:324 days 18 hours 27 minutes ago
Member: ibzRG

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I wasn't replying to your posts fred...

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Reply:324 days 18 hours 23 minutes ago
Member: Fred Kraus

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Oh, well in that case I hope you get this girl...lol

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Reply:324 days 20 hours 35 minutes ago
Member: frumsapap

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"Gold Jacket, Green Jacket, who gives a shit?" Happy Gilmour.

My point is that we could argue about this all day and still not go any where.

"There's a rock history textbook? What kind of candy ass shit is that? :P"

Awesome GBarber. There probably are more than one, but there is probably some lame ass butterdick writing it, National Geopgraphic style.

In a real pompous low British voice, "And after Mr. Chet Atkins started playing guitar at age blah, blah blah........and Page came along and swept the nation by storm with his insatiable technique and skill....and along comes Mr. Edwardo Van Halen........."

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Reply:324 days 20 hours 5 minutes ago
Member: Fred Kraus

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Slow drum beat..."I---AM---IRON---BOOBS"

This thread is falling apart, isn't it? Good!

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Reply:324 days 19 hours 22 minutes ago
Member: Jared

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Actually to go with the rock history textbook thing a few years ago the University of Nebraska Omaha had a History of Rock n Roll class.

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Reply:324 days 16 hours 58 minutes ago
Member: Evil Kitty

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Jimmy Page has graced the covers of too many guitar magazines to count and did play guitar in one of the most revered guitar bands of his era.

The rest is pretty subjective. There are too many "best guitarist" posts and polls to count and there is no wrong answer. Who inspires me is probobly not who inspires you (and Jimmy Page does not inspire me for the record).

AS far as them being metal I would say no - more of blues based rock. Bottom line is more people know who Jimmy Page is then know who any of us are (jealous), so he must have done something right.

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Reply:324 days 15 hours 54 minutes ago
Member: Leif

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GEEZ! They can be considered classic rock so doubt heavy metal> More lke hard rock. but orgnal so they need not be categorized since zepplin is one of the all time greats with an original sound no band ever had.

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