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Original message:109 days 17 hours 43 minutes ago
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Join the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement and do your part!
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Reply:109 days 17 hours 3 minutes ago
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I have been talking about this for years. There should be a maximum number of children that can be born. Think of it this way; There are 6,000,000,000 people on this planet, and there are more orphans in every country every year. All of my brothers and sisters, and I were orphans. I happened to be adopted, they didn't. It all began with the agricultural revolution. That is what the metaphor of Genesis is based upon. Daniel Quinn talks about this in his book Ishmael. It is a story of a telepathic gorilla that tries to tell this man that he can change the world, by leaving the world alone. You should read it. It is very philosophical.
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Reply:109 days 16 hours 3 minutes ago
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Reply:109 days 15 hours 9 minutes ago
Member: Chester Field
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How long will it be before they get frustrated, and start whacking all the unbelieving procreators ?
Reply:109 days 14 hours 26 minutes ago
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In australia, we get paid $5000 to have a kid... and then get money after that!

essentially, they are paying money to create a larger poverty belt...

rich people don't give a shit about 5k, so all the underprivileged are pumping out kids to our future detriment - and getting a nice plasma tv for themselves....

we need to be encouraging less kids to be born, and more intellectuals to have babies... if they're gonna be born, at least let them be intelligent enough to do the right thing by the earth and society

i am worried about the big brother watching, mcdonalds eating assholes we are flooding the earth with.
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Reply:109 days 14 hours 3 minutes ago
Member: Fred Kraus
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I hear the Japanese are already circling the drain...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080505/wl_asia_afp/lifestylejapanchildpopulation

If you guys don't mind I'd like to have Mt. Fuji. I've never skied before.
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Reply:109 days 6 hours 46 minutes ago
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Reply:109 days 6 hours 9 minutes ago
Member: ibzRG
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Heh I've been saying that for a few years and people give me weird looks every time... People definitely need to control their procreation AND their urban expansion. 6M is too many. We need to get down to 2M max. Right...

Some countries of the western "advanced" world are well on their way there. Modern businessmen/women have little time for families and on top of that, it is now OK not to be married or not to have kids so an increasing number of people go that way.
The problem with reduced births is financial. The population will age and there will be too many more retired people than active workers supporting them and the social care system will collapse, as it is already collapsing over here. Unless people never retire or they die before retirement the crisis is inevitable.
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Reply:109 days 4 hours 40 minutes ago
Member: Fred Kraus
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I never expected to see retirement. Even if I make it to retirement age I probably won't have enough to live on. I've been putting money away for years and my job matches me dollar for dollar for up to $600. So that's at least $1200 per year plus interest. As of twenty years I'll have a whopping $24,000 before interest to retire on which will probably go to Exxon. Social Security might buy me a soda once a month. I think you get something like a 2% return on the money you pay into social security and man don't get me started on that. Basically they're going to carry me out of there and put a new copper top in my place.
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Reply:109 days 1 hours 20 minutes ago
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If you can spare enough to save for your retirement that's great. But many people rely on the ridiculously little money they get from social security. And it's not going to get any better.
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Reply:108 days 21 hours 44 minutes ago
Member: dcunning30
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Fred, if you consider the law of compound interest, you will not hardly have $24,000. Without running the numbers, after 20 years of this, I'd expect you'd more likely have at least a million dollars.
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Reply:108 days 21 hours 38 minutes ago
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Basically, social security is a government ponzi scheme. That's why I thought it was ludicrous when Bush's social security reform proposal was shot down. Factually, the stock market's returns are significantly better than the government's 2%, even when you consider bear markets. The argument against the reform was "people are too stupid to invest their own money". The detractors couched that argument in much nicer words, but that's what they were saying.
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Reply:108 days 19 hours 18 minutes ago
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You are misrepresenting the reason for Social Security. It is not a retirement fund. That is what your 401k is for. Social Security is meant to guarantee a basic standard of living for the elderly in their final years.
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Reply:108 days 18 hours 10 minutes ago
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I agree, social security was not intended to be a retirement fund, but due to lack of planning, and/or other circumstances, lots of Americans have found themselves depending on social security to be exactly that. And especially since the ratio of those drawing SS to those contributing to SS is getting smaller and smaller, SS unchanged WILL go broke! That's why I call it a ponzi scheme. That's exactly what it is. And the only legal ponzi scheme to boot!

SS was created to be a safety net, a last resort. But too many Americans are depending on it to be their only resort.
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Reply:108 days 23 hours 22 minutes ago
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Reply:108 days 20 hours 6 minutes ago
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