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Original message:35 days 14 hours 13 minutes ago
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I often feel like i use the same stuff too repetatively in my solos. I play mostly metal so i play alot of Dminor and Eminor. and harmonic minors. But does can anyone give me ideas so i don't keep playing the same things? Whether it be new scales to play or scales to play over the scales i already use. Or it could be new techniques and stuff.
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Reply:35 days 13 hours 47 minutes ago
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Everyone has this problem dude. You just have to "allow" new things to happen.

I would recommend taking a look at the scales you already like and start stringing the notes together in different/new ways. Also experiment with developing different rhythmic patterns to playing these notes that you don't normally do. You'll come up with new stuff all the time if you are always rearranging the notes to come up with a different pattern.

There is a Paul Gilbert vid where he talks about inspiration from playing slap drums on his knees and then transferring those patterns to guitar riffs. Hope I can find that vid to attache it to this post.

Could be this one but I don't think so, (Still good stuff)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCojcP_6AkI

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Reply:35 days 13 hours 34 minutes ago
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Try forgetting scales altogether, and playing with intervals. Play with minor 3rd shapes, perfect 5th/4th shapes, minor 2nds, tritones...build a solo out of a few of these sounds you like, and string those together in an idea.

Whenever I feel repetetive, or stuck, I try to strike out into areas of the neck I don't use as much and find sounds there....use your ear and don't be afriad to sound like shit while you experiment.

Experimenting with Rhythmic ideas as JTC suggests is HUGE.

Ray Pizzi made this observation...

"MOTIF, (repetition of a rhythm using DIFFERENT NOTES). A tool composers have used for centuries (ie: Beethovens 5th symphony ta-ta-ta-taaa) Motif works for any style of music, ESPECIALLY "free jazz" eliminating the random bullshit and non-essential stupidity. MOTIF connects your ideas together and makes it MUSIC...got it ?"

Listen to this guy play, and keep that idea in mind, maybe it will spark something?

-sallan
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Reply:35 days 13 hours 32 minutes ago
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I think part of my problem is that i sometimes try too hard to keep it in key and worry too much about theory rather than just letting it come.
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Reply:35 days 13 hours 28 minutes ago
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Well, it will come. There's a time to worry about staying in key, and theres a time to listen, use your ear, and just play. Ideally it all comes together at somepoint in effortless application...
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Reply:35 days 13 hours 12 minutes ago
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Yea! I love effortless application. No Kidding!

Most of my best riffs came from just wandering the fretboard putting very little thought into what I was playing. Just trying different things.
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Reply:35 days 13 hours 8 minutes ago
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Copy whomever you listen to. It's the way to learn for every style of music (except classical)...
Reply:35 days 10 hours 28 minutes ago
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Metal uses mostly R5 so that missing b3rd/3rd you use more to your advantage.


If your in key your in, so every note that's in key is at use , don't let theory or scales box you in it should be the other away and your always allowed to break rules because there are none.

If you have music least 2 or 3 to hear or feel what your doing would help
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Reply:35 days 6 hours 55 minutes ago
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Hmm.

Lift scales/ ideas off jazz and also other musical traditions.

I mean, you could look at Indian music, which has millions of distinct Raagas, or West African music, which uses polyrhythms, or Japanese music, which has many different pentatonic expressions (most famously the Hirajoshi "scale").

You'll find that using these, lends depth as well as a new sound to your playing


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Reply:34 days 20 hours 59 minutes ago
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Thanks
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Reply:34 days 19 hours 40 minutes ago
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Increase the distance between the intervals in your solos. It's unnatural at first, but it makes you think more about your playing.
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Reply:26 days 17 hours 19 minutes ago
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since everyone else has already covered the concepts ideas for solos ill talk about techniques. i don't know what you usually use but i'll assume that you only know legato, tremolo picking, alternate picking, harmonics (artificial and natural), bends and slides. (not to offend you or under estimate you, but to allow me to just ramble for a while and cover a bunch of things just in case)

I cannot describe all of these in writing but there are plenty of videos.

So new things would be…

--whammy bar (if you have one)—motorcycle would be good for you and try pinch harmonics with moving the bar
--Pedals—a good wah pedal never goes wrong and plenty of other sounds
--sweeps/rakes/arpeggio based—very neoclassic but can be used to fit whatever you want
--hybrid picking/ comping—unusual but actually very useful for putting harmonies into solos for a unique sound
--unison bends/ bending into intervals—another good thing for harmonies
--right hand finger tapping/ pick tapping—self explanatory
--muting—will give you a different sound for different parts
--articulation—try angling your pick and pinching different amounts to add dynamics and feeling to passages

While some of these may not seem like techniques commonly used in metal, they can be used for great effect while still staying in your selected style. If you have any questions about the techniques or how to use them in metal feel free to ask me.
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Reply:26 days 8 hours 14 minutes ago
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Here's a lesson I teach my students called 5 steps to more interesting solos.

Step 1. When aimlessly blathering through scales, learn at least 5 different finger patterns of the scale along the length of the neck. Don't stay in any one pattern for too long. That's usually really boring. Keep moving between finger patterns. Different positional patterns of the same scale cause you to combine the same notes in different ways. Making a short statement in one pattern and then moving to another pattern forces a break between ideas, which is the beginning of thinking about phrasing. It also causes you to use different registers of the instrument... high, low, and middle. It also looks more interesting to travel around the whole length of the neck.

Step 2. Learn a lot of those boring, mechanical sequence patterns like ascending and descending in 3rds or 4ths or 6ths, the 3 step pattern [123, 234, 345, 456, 567, 678, 789] and the 4 step [1234, 2345, 3456, 4567], the 1-2-3-1 sequence, the reverse 3 step [321, 432, 543, 654], etc. There are whole books full of dozens of these and they're pretty dry, tedious, and boring. But these exercises force your fingers and ears to combine notes in different ways than your fingers will do naturally. If you merely alternate in short bursts between aimlessly blathering and mechanically sequencing in 5 different positions on the neck, you already are creating more interest because there is musical contrast between the aimlessness of the blathering and the mechanical structure of the sequences.

Step 3. This step is so obvious that you should kick yourself in the pants for not spending more time doing it endlessly. Steal licks. Steal licks all the time. Steal licks from the best guitar players ever. Steal licks from other instruments. Learn to play these licks in any key and in many spots on the neck, not always starting on the same string or on the same finger. There are books and videos full of licks. Licks slowed down so you can learn them. Licks, licks, licks. You can never have a big enough vocabulary of licks. Get busy learning licks. In many different styles. You can even make up your own. But at first, steal licks all the time.

Step 4. This next step is simple and obvious and many guitarists don't think of exploiting the variety of these easy items. I call them guitarisms. NCP mentions a number of them above.

1. bending [there are lots of different ways]
2. vibrato [there is more than 1 kind]
3. sliding [glissando] and dive bombing
4. hammer-ons
5. pull-offs
6. trills
7. tremolo picking
8. harmonics
9. pinched harmonics
10. false harmonics
11. palm muting
12. deadened string/scratchy noises
13. raking and sweep picking
14. right-hand finger tapping
15. pick scrapes
16. behind the nut noises
17. beating on the guitar like a hand drum
18. rasgueado strumming
19. picking near the bridge
and more I can't think of off hand...

If you aren't exploiting the variety of these, or you are stuck on one of them too much, then you are boring. Get with it. They are like spices in food. Use them judiciously, but enhance the flavor of your guitar playing. Please.

step 5. Take all of the musical elements that fit on a guitar... rhythm, note values, timbre, tone, arpeggios, intervals, chords, quoting melodies, articulation and picking techniques, embellishment, alteration, repetition, superimposition, dissonance, resolution, consonance, harmony, lyricism, rests and silence, minimalism, form, shape, structure, ethnic influences, and anything you can think of, read about, stumble across and discover... and mess around with them. Creativity simply means goofing off with this stuff. Learn to let go of structured approaches and just have fun playing like a child. You may be surprised by what bubbles up from your subconscious. Don't forget to have fun.

There are also creativity exercises you should investigate, like SCAMPER:

S = Substitute? (What can I get rid of, eliminate, or subtract?)

C = Combine? (How can I combine X with Y? What would happen if I combine this idea with that idea?)

A = Adapt? (What if we change this?)

M = Modify? = Magnify?

P = Put to other uses?

E = Eliminate or minimize?

R = Reverse? = Rearrange?

There is also, now, absolutely no excuse for not watching tons of instructional guitar videos. Get busy, slackers!
“A musician must make music, an artist must paint, a poet must write, if he is to be ultimately at peace with himself.”
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