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Original message:127 days 9 hours 2 minutes ago
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Member: Hippieway
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I'm rebuilding a strat and my question is there any solid reason for two tone ports. My tele nashville has three pickups and only one tone, all's good. There are a couple of devices on the market that might make better use of that lower tone port, so why would I need two tone pots?
Reply:127 days 7 hours 56 minutes ago
Member: G_Barber
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Those 2 tone knobs control the tone of the neck and middle position pickups, respectively. Not sure how much you use those 2 pickups, but it adds some tonal versatility if you use them a good bit.
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Reply:127 days 7 hours 46 minutes ago
Member: Hippieway
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Oh I use them But Can't it all be wired into just a single tone pot. of course it can, why not?
Reply:127 days 4 hours 24 minutes ago
Member: Erk
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Because the Fender Gods decreed that a strat have 2 tone knobs?

Just a guess...
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Reply:127 days 2 hours 43 minutes ago
Member: Hippieway
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OK, nevermind.
Reply:127 days 53 minutes ago
Member: Linus Maximus
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I'm still hungup on 250k, or 500k pots. I finally went with the 250k's. I called Stewmac and was put on hold for a bit because they had to argue it out themselves. The consensus was 250k across the board. Honestly, I have no idea why you need to have two tone pots. I'd say Erk's answer just about sums it up.
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Reply:126 days 23 hours 1 minutes ago
Member: farlow
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The thing that always got me was that on Strats it's the bridge p/u that need a bit more sublety in the tone and it's the one without the tone knob. I think it goes back to the notion of the bridge being the "lead" p/u and the neck being rhythm. When the Tele and Strat were invented, only jazz and some country music would have had extended guitar solos, so perhaps a lot of players didn't even use the bridge p/u. I've had axes where I couldn't even tell you whether the bridge p/u worked.
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Reply:126 days 11 hours 38 minutes ago
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1] Having two tone controls allows you to set and keep a different tone level for each pickup. So when you switch to it you don't have to fiddle with the tone. Like on Gibsons.
2] Roll back the tone a bit in the middle and bit more in the neck and you increase the contrast between the pickups. I'm guessing that's the reasoning behind choosing the neck and middle for the tones instead of the bridge.


If you are happy having the same tone setting across pickups, there is no reason why you shouldn't make it a single global control and use the freed slot for something else (killswitch? miniswitch? pencil sharpener?).
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Reply:126 days 8 hours 31 minutes ago
Member: robbiusa
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Fender's Jimmie Vaughan strat has the tone knobs controlling the neck and bridge pickups, leaving the middle to fend for itself.
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Reply:126 days 5 hours 33 minutes ago
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Linus, for single coil pickups the "standard" is 250k, hums it's 500. And ibzrg, gibsons have a tone for each pickup for example les pauls, 335s and sgs.


Personally, I would rather have one tone knob for all and save the other holes for volume knobs since I use them more often than the forbidden tone knob. I have a gibson v and it has 2 volums and one tone, and that tone knob is only cool cause it's a skull knob. I nearly never touch it.
Reply:126 days 5 hours 25 minutes ago
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duh, that's what I said.
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Reply:126 days 1 hours 18 minutes ago
Member: eds1275
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duh, well ok.
Reply:126 days 28 minutes ago
Member: NegativeGhostRider
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Actually, many Gibsons use 300k volume and tone controls. But 500k is the accepted value for modern humbuckers.

I actually use the tone controls quite a bit when i play strats. By turning the middle pickup's tone down and moving the selector switch to the first notch position (bridge and middle), I can nearly imitate the sound of a really fat humbucker. The neck pickup's tone control I tend to leave wide open, but for an old-school warm jazz sound, the tone is almost always rolled back.

The cool thing is there are no set rules on how to wire guitars. Heck, early strats only had 3-way switches!
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Reply:125 days 22 hours ago
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Heck, early strats only had 3-way switches!

I remember those days. If you wanted a 5-way switch back in 76' you had to wire it in yourself. If you go back to some of the old "Guitar Player" periodicals, you'll see articles on how to put in a five way switch. My very first electric, (a standard strat circa 79'), was wired 3-way. My brother still has it, though it's unplayable right now because the neck is completely worn out. It was metallic bronze. I bought that one because it matched the color of my pickup truck...what a reason...lol
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