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Original message:409 days 8 hours 24 minutes ago
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Member: charles
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so ,i can take a solo, i can Improv in almost any jazz or blues song. but when it comes to metal or hard rock i'm lost, my solos always come out blues or jazz sounding. I don't think its a tone thing. my guess its because i play mostly jazz and blues, so i started learning some metal and rock, but i just can add the right feeling to the solos. meaning the notes are right but the feeling or articulation isn't.

anyone out there know what makes a heavy solo?
or has some ideas on how to add that rock edge to my solos

thanks for any help
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Reply:409 days 8 hours 9 minutes ago
Member: shanejohnson2002
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Find someone that plays with an "edge" and learn everything you can from them. Paul Gilbert is my main influence at the moment. I suggest him because he plays with some serious edge, IMO.

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Reply:409 days 7 hours 56 minutes ago
Member: Captain Fantastic
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Paul burns for sure. No effects, bells, nor whistles just a forthright rock performance every time. Also, 60% of the time Guthrie Govan shreds all the time. Check out some of his vids here and/or at YouTube. He's pretty amazing...

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Reply:408 days 18 hours 47 minutes ago
Member: charles
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i couldn't find anything from paul burns other then some drunk guy on youtube
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Reply:406 days 50 minutes ago
Member: shanejohnson2002
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lol not "paul burns"...

:"Paul Gilbert". ;)
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Reply:407 days 6 hours 17 minutes ago
Member: Mike D.
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Dude, I'm having almost the same problem you are. I can do great Blues solos as well as Hard Rock solos, but the Heavy Metal thing isn't clicking yet. Though I can help you with the rock part. You obviously know pentatonic scales, right? Well have you ever tried doing a pentatonic in the highest octave? If you were to mix a minor scale in with the pentatonic for sort of a Queensryche feel, it would be totally rockin. Speaking of minor scales, one a high string (preferably e), you could hammer off and descend(or ascend) in the minor pattern, as in the following

(e) : 15, 14, 12; 14, 12, 10; 12, 10, 9; 10, 9, 7; 5,7


Also, minor scales and tapping your pick at a higher fret with two other frets held, one to be hammered off after the pick.
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Reply:406 days 21 hours 36 minutes ago
Member: charles
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Thanks Michael De Cecco in the key of E are you using E Minor or THE VI C# minor or any other scale degree like F#?
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Reply:406 days 5 hours 19 minutes ago
Member: Mike D.
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... dude, you must be a much better guitarist than me, because I can't comprehend what you're asking XD

I could tab out the basis for it if you have guitar pro :0

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Reply:404 days 10 hours 3 minutes ago
Member: charles
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if you don't mind i would love you to tab it out for me.

i'm probably not better then you i'm just a theory person plus i'm not good at explaining things.
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Reply:401 days 8 hours 18 minutes ago
Member: Mike D.
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Alright, so you do have guitar pro then? Send me your email if you do, and I'll send it to you.
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Reply:400 days 20 hours 58 minutes ago
Member: charles
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Reply:393 days 6 hours 9 minutes ago
Member: Mike D.
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Alright, I'll have it within the week, if I can. I hope gp.4 will work with your version....
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Reply:388 days 13 hours 43 minutes ago
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Two words: Floyd Rose
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Reply:365 days 12 hours 57 minutes ago
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Well, as for who to listen to, Paul Gilbert (as mentioned), Yngwie Malmsteen (pronounced "ing-vey"), John Petrucci (he may be more your style, as he's a Progressive Rock guy). There's a lot of metal guys out there that I could name, but these are a few (and I do mean few) of the major ones.
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Reply:364 days 22 hours 7 minutes ago
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I agree. Listen to alot of metal players. It appears you have the skills and ability, you just need to leverage what you know to play metal. Like blues is more than pentatonics, metal is more than minor modes. It's a feel. Once you start feeling metal, you'll begin playing metal. However, there are certain techniques/cliches you can pick up that'll help with your metal playing:

pinch harmonics - learn to make your guitar squeal
an agressive vibrato
palm muting - usually for rhythmn playing
tremolo picking - a must for extreme metal
the (yawn) gratuitous tapping - i try to stay away from too much tapping
fast ascending runs

Oh yea, you gotta have your tone together. Definately use high gain for your rhythms, and back off a bit for solos. But the gain has to be enough where you can do pinch harmonics with ease.
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Reply:364 days 7 hours 14 minutes ago
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id say, do all of the things that dcunning mentioned above but also try to throw in your jazzy and blues influence here and there and make that part of your own unique and original sound, id say dont try to sound not too jazzy or bluesy because that could possibly add a whole new other demension to your metal soloing

as jg76aries mentioned above john petrucci is a good guitarist to check out because hes got some jazz influence
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Reply:351 days 23 hours 58 minutes ago
Member: Mike Philippov