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Original message:116 days 18 hours 38 minutes ago
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Member: Rob Harries
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hi everyone on these forums

my situation is this:

i have been playing guitar for about 3-4 years now, and ive always rested the underside of my forearm and wrist on the body of my guitar (a fender strat). recently ive been trying to increase my speed, learning classic shred. you know, "eruption" and the like. i was have little or no success, so i reasearched on the net to see if my technique was wrong. i discovered on a few sites that it is not recommended to rest any part of your picking hand or arm on the guitar. is this true? if this is the case, am i right in thinking that you have to hover your picking arm over the guitar body without making any contact?

sorry to sound real trivial and like an unintelligent beginner. its just that im self taught, and ive never had someone to correct my "mistake". i guess thats why im here.

many thanks to anyone who can help me. much appreciated
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Reply:116 days 18 hours 30 minutes ago
Member: Xarkzila
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It is, unfortunately, true. I tend to use my pinky to ground my picking hand and keep it in a particular position. This drives instructors crazy and they're always pointing it out. But, I've played that way for 40 years, so it's not something that's going to change.

I also play acoustic so it is typical, when sitting, that my arm is resting on the guitar body. This is difficult to avoid with an acoustic because of the much larger body and I don't see anyone getting much grief for doing it. Also consider that if you play standing, it's impossible to rest your arm on the body unless you have the guitar strapped high and not slung low. And it's impossibe to NOT rest your arm on the body if it is up high.

More important is to keep your picking hand "hovering" and not touching the guitar, unless technique, (like palm muting,) demands it. If you ground your hand, you will lose some natural motion that greatly contributes to speed.
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Reply:116 days 18 hours 21 minutes ago
Member: Rob Harries
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thanks xarkzila. looks like im going to have to start learning how to do that :/
i usually have my guitar strapped fairly high. would you suggest strapping my guitar lower in order to help me naturally develop this technique?
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Reply:116 days 18 hours 10 minutes ago
Member: Xarkzila
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Actually not really low. Higher is better if you're looking for control. (You will find a similar position if you play sitting. In the studio those who play sitting down, do much better than those who insist on standing. Sit with your guitar. Sit straight! Notice it's position, then adjust so your strap has it about the same location. About mid-waist.) Lower is better if you're looking for "cool."

The most important thing is to not rest your picking hand on your guitar.
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Reply:116 days 17 hours 51 minutes ago
Member: Rob Harries
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thanks xarkzila.
ive had a lot of replies on other forums from people telling me they rest their hand on the bridge, or resting your hand on the guitar doesnt make a difference. ive looked at videos of players such as Blackmore, Van Halen and Page, and they all appear to be resting their picking arms on the guitar.
Im very confused :S
attempt to play fast passages, i usually find that my picking hand hits some of the open strings, totally destroying any clarity.
in theory then, if my picking hand hovers above the guitat, this problem should be solved?
thanks again for your advice.
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Reply:116 days 13 hours 12 minutes ago
Member: JTC
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It really depends on what you are doing. If you are accidentally killing strings with your palm then you definitely are putting you hand where it shouldn't be. If you are strumming then I see no reason to rest any part of your arm or hand on the guitar. For precise picking I think it's almost necessary to stabilize your picking hand by resting it on the bridge or using fingers to hold a place on the guitar body. You'll see all types of examples of hand placement when you watch the you tube vids. It's all about what works for the technique you are implementing.
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Reply:116 days 7 hours 38 minutes ago
Member: Triste
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The thing is, while there are "more effective ways" of doing things there aren't many hard and fast rules about playing the guitar. The players you've mentioned (Blackmore, Van Halen, Page)...they're all self-taught aren't they?

If you're after properly researched technique, it might be best to look elsewhere. Say, other guitarists that have been educated in certain music schools like Paul Gilbert or whatever.

Hell, I was watching the Crossroads Guitar Festival DVD and I kept saying to myself "wtf, their picking doesn't make sense but they all sound awesome!" So if it works and doesn't have any detrimental effect on your well being, I say go for whatever works for you.

The way I've been taught with my picking is to lightly rest my palm on the lower strings (e.g. E-A-D) to mute them while I'm playing the higher strings (e.g. G-B-E). I find that the only occasions where my picking hand will actually "float" is when I'm strumming or playing the low E string.
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Reply:116 days 5 hours 2 minutes ago
Member: Fred Kraus
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I tend to rest my hand on the lower strings when picking the higher strings, (G-B-E), when going for the lower strings, (E-A-D), my hand seems to move to the bridge. I tried to keep my my forearm off the guitar and kept my hand off the bridge and strings. I can see how it's an advantage but man what a bite! I don't think I could get used to doing that.
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Reply:115 days 16 hours 3 minutes ago
Member: frumsapap
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When ever I play I tend to move my hand around for different sounds in the song, so I don't think that resting your hand is a bad thing if you use it as part of your playing, but make sure that you understand that when you want a note to ring out you have to move your hand out of the way. I went to an expansion course on the guitar, and the professor was saying and showing us certain ways to play certain styles, so I don't know about the resting the hand all the time. If it's for technique, like chugga chugga, heavy metal, sure, but when you start expanding those horizons, you're going to need more than that in your arsenal. So listen to what Xark says, to an extent. Xarks I do the pinky thing every now and again, as well. I have found that Xarks is pretty solid when it comes to advice.
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Reply:115 days 13 hours 13 minutes ago
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I highly recomend a stylus pick. It will force you to work out your technique issues, make you a better picker all around, and it really does work, especially if your trying to learn to sweep pick.

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Reply:114 days 16 hours 53 minutes ago
Member: Rob Harries
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thaks for all your responses guys. much appreciated. since my starting of his topic, ive got myself a guitar tutor, so hopefully he'll be able to help me as you all have. cheers!
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